Pot odds Q

If I have a 19.15% if hitting a flush on the turn does that in turn mean that I can justify calling 19% of the pot on the flop?

let me get this straight...if the bet to you is 100 and the pot is say 300, you want to only call 57?

Poker don't work that way.

However what I think you meant to ask is;......Can I justify my call if my odds to catch cover my bet (making for a break even situation) am I justified? Remember that just because you catch, in this flush example, doesn't mean you will win. So the quality of the flush comes into play. Where as if you play a 22, there are 12 other pairs that will beat you, if you play 12s there will be 3 other flushes that can beat you. etc etc.

So if, in your example, the bet to you was 100, and the pot was (at that instant) 500, then it would be close enough to make it a breakeven move.

But it sounds like you chase flushes, and traditional theory suggests that is generally a -ev move on the flop. In the case where it is a limp call, and you can reasonably expect no one to raise, then I can almost accept justification, but please, tell us where you play and what username to look for.

Well then, lets say I am 4.8 to 1 to improve on the turn. Does that simply mean that I need to be getting 4.6 to 1 on my bet (investemnt)?

now that's sound advice

drew12 said:

If you are drawing a flush you should play it like a made hand so when you miss the flush you could try to bluff at it.

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This must be a tip that gets emailed to everyone who signs up for a new account on FT.

You have absolutely hit the nail on the head. No one will ever figure out you missed your flush when your third heart doesn't come on the river.

phemalephenom said:

Well then, lets say I am 4.8 to 1 to improve on the turn. Does that simply mean that I need to be getting 4.6 to 1 on my bet (investemnt)?

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On an irregular basis, you can see where getting in with less pot odds than the odds of improving your hand enough to win (remember most odds are based on improvement and offer NO guarantees), will, in the long run be -ev.

For practical purposes (and simplicity) lets think 25% chance (by the river) to improve a 4straight on the flop to a real straight . For this discussion I will ignore the possibility of pairing up to a winning hand, and only use the str8 draw part of my mental calcs.

Pot starts at 100 villain pots it, making the pot 200, and your call will be 100. This is 2 to 1 odds with a 4-1 hand. Not good. If a 2nd villain calls, making the pot 300, u would be getting 3 to one odds on a 4-1 hand. Still not a good thing. But at this point you can sometimes take your experiences (reads) about your villain(s) into account and deal with implied odds. Still generally gonna be -ev.

At lower level games my experience is that most players don't pot the bet, they will come in underbetting (generally), so in the above case lets say into that 100 pot, villain #1 only bets 25. Your call is 25 to make 125, and is 5-1, with a 4-1 hand. No brainer to call here. With a 2nd villain who calls, your odds jump to 6-1, etc etc.

Morale of this scenario; Seek situations that give you bigger pot odds than your hand odds to improve.

There are many many players who make decision down to decimal point odds. The situation above is grossly simple.

If I we include pairing up on the turn and/or river, your odds jump into the 30-35% range, depending on how many villains are sticking around.

i read somewhere...

if your betting a fl draw it should only be bet if you raised preflop,i dont alway follow this,but i dont bet my tounament life on a draw either...as far as the money goes...theres a huge difference between pot odds,implied odds,and then of course theres how much your invested in the hand and what you,ll have left if you fold out....might want to read up on pot odds and implied odds..it helps.