Pot Committed on Flush Draw?

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I'm new at this post stuff, so bear with me.

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I'm playing $1/$2 NL at a local casino. I buy-in for $200, hover for about 4 1/2-5 hours until a new guy sits down and picks up the action.

There's one early position limp, comes to me, pick up KJ diamonds in MP and raise to $15. Starting stack is about $220-$230. The aforementioned action player is in the big blind, he calls and limper folds.

Flop comes and is music to my ears. Ad-Jh-3d or 8d. Can't remember which one the smaller card. He checks and I bet small to keep him in. I bet another $15 and he snap raises to $50. I think for a second, but with my stack not really being that big and the pot built pretty well for my holding, I don't see too many options here. Pair with nut flush draw against who is spewing right off the bat. So, I shove it, he pauses for a second and calls.

The hand runs out with a couple of bricks and I miss. He flips and shows AJ off. Obviously, he's not going anywhere with Top 2. Was this the right move or should I have just called, seen the turn and went from there?
 
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You gave up you're position with the turn shove. Had you hit the river, you are now in position to call or re-raise for value or hitting a brick allows you to let it go. Villain check raising answered you're raise post flop.
 
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You gave up you're position with the turn shove. Had you hit the river, you are now in position to call or re-raise for value or hitting a brick to let it go.
I shoved on the flop.
 
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you should play slowly remember is cash you do not have to finish everything inside always less looking for a color if you had done a slowplay had lost less or suddenly you link your diamond
 
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Desafortunadamente perdiste la posicion! en mi opinion "re-raise" or fold
My stack was too short for a a smaller re-raise than the shove. Pot was about $98 with his check raise and I had about $175 behind. I don't see a fold being an option with a pair and nut flush draw on the flop against a loose player.
 
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Gotcha, thought 8D was turn. Did you entertain the thought of calling with the check raise?
I could've worded that better. I apologize. 3d or 8d on flop.

I did think about just calling, but at that time I thought two things.
1) If I call, pot is $133 and I would have about $150 behind. If turn bricks, he bets and I am again confused to a call or fold. Even though folding is probably the better move.
2) He simply is making a move, possibly having a weak ace and my equity is still pretty good vs. drawing.
 
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Middle pair with a nut flush draw. I would have check called to see what turned. probably could have seen turn and possibly river for less than 50.
 
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Middle pair with a nut flush draw. I would have check called to see what turned. probably could have seen turn and possibly river for less than 50.
He was first to act. He checked, I c-bet and he popped it. I suppose keeping the pot small, checking behind and seeing what unfolded after that. Essentially, I agree with you. With him being loose, I figured I had the goods.
 
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I believe that if you paid you could try to hit your draw without so much trouble and if you did not, you could consider giving up the hand
 
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Agreed. Got a little too eager.
 
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Playing cash game is very exciting, it makes me very nervous because the stacks that are in front of us is real money, so I play with a lot of caution and only go into a pot when I really take chances to win, if I could give you a advice would tell you to play very cautiously and wait your turn. And you can rest assured that CardsChat girls are always well educated.
 
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oh ok. read it wrong. it still would have been worth the raise to see the turn for 35 more. if he still represents top pair or better after turn i would then bow out to see another day or not have to re up.
 
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The check raise would make me think 2 pr. or a set . I might have called never would have pushed . Y ou could hit your flush and if the board pairs you lose to a full house . Most check raises are strong hands .
 
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in this situation just calling flop is fine you can fold on some bad turns , and can commit on good or brick turns , shoving flop only maybe if i think player who check raise can fold a weaker A so i turn my hand on a "semi bluff"
 
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I believe you should’ve called the raise and re-evaluated on the turn. The shove is obviously a draw that you can turn into a semi bluff if he was on a weak ace but he was strong and that’s a hard hand to let go
 
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pot commited on flush draw

hey,


i´m also new with this post stuff. :)



i had start with 2,5 half BB and not like you. And after i had fold because of pot odds.
You got pot odds about 2,5% and the re-raise was to high.


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k1j1 vs ajo vs a1j2X1 flop + brick + brick

You were in a tough decision situation for sure!
My hand logs show that of 5,927 hands dealt at online sites, I bet a total of 55 times AJo and 21 times KJs. I won 19 of 55 (34.5%) with the AJO and won 6 of 21 (28.5%) of the time with KJs. Four of the times I sat in the late/middle position with the KJs, bet and lost. Seven times I bet the AJo from the Big Blind and only won once. If I had been in your situation, first I may have called the blind and second I would most likely done a cbet as you did not having the ace. However, each hand I have played and logged shows what really happened when I did. Judging from my experiences, when the player raised to $50, I would have called if I had bet at all (crazy, huh). When the brick went down, depending on what the other player did (raised, checked, etc.), it is left to determine my next move. Remember that when you are holding suited cards and the flop shows 2 of the same, the odds are more for a different suited card on the turn and river. Just like the KJs (looks awesome!) when you get it, watch out for that higher card on the flop and the actions of other players. Especially when you are not holding the big A. Sorry for your bad luck. Don't let it get you down. Chalk it up for experience and know more the next time. My hand logs kind of dictate what is good and bad to do. If you are not doing that (position, cards held and results), you may wish to start. It helped me, but I am no poker millionaire!!! Good luck with your game. Gotta go. :pcguru:
 
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You were in a tough decision situation for sure!
My hand logs show that of 5,927 hands dealt at online sites, I bet a total of 55 times AJo and 21 times KJs. I won 19 of 55 (34.5%) with the AJO and won 6 of 21 (28.5%) of the time with KJs. Four of the times I sat in the late/middle position with the KJs, bet and lost. Seven times I bet the AJo from the Big Blind and only won once. If I had been in your situation, first I may have called the blind and second I would most likely done a cbet as you did not having the ace. However, each hand I have played and logged shows what really happened when I did. Judging from my experiences, when the player raised to $50, I would have called if I had bet at all (crazy, huh). When the brick went down, depending on what the other player did (raised, checked, etc.), it is left to determine my next move. Remember that when you are holding suited cards and the flop shows 2 of the same, the odds are more for a different suited card on the turn and river. Just like the KJs (looks awesome!) when you get it, watch out for that higher card on the flop and the actions of other players. Especially when you are not holding the big A. Sorry for your bad luck. Don't let it get you down. Chalk it up for experience and know more the next time. My hand logs kind of dictate what is good and bad to do. If you are not doing that (position, cards held and results), you may wish to start. It helped me, but I am no poker millionaire!!! Good luck with your game. Gotta go. :pcguru:
Thank you for the insight. That helps more than you know. The main perspective I was trying to get is if that might be the right move against someone who just sat down and was splashing around a bit. Or if that really matters at all. From this thread (and your post) I know now I'm pushing a little too hard (pun intended) to score off a pretty flop. Thank you, sir. Your words are definitely helpful.
 
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