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most players play aces straight forward. raise then bet every street unless they are reraised or the board becomes too scary. others slowplay them too much and then get theirselves into some big troubles. what is though tthe best way to extract more value?
how i play them is:

1. never 4bet in position unles i got 3bet by a nit (in which case its 4bet all in no matter what

2. i check back super dry flops. like 2,3,8 unless its a 3bet pot in whch case i bet small to drag floats by broadway cards and reraises by overpairs

3. bet big on super wet flops. if reraised reconsider. check call river if it seems safe (to bluffcatch)

but i want further advice so please... :)
 
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1) You are losing a ton of value by not 4-betting aces. A lot of people stack off with AK preflop, and the only way you're getting any value from AK if you flat with AA is if the case A or their K comes out. Even then, they won't be giving their whole stack to you all the time depending on board textures. KK/QQ/JJ might not pay you off if the board turns out scary for them. Also, by underrepping your hand, you might end up talking yourself into a call when you might be beat. Not 4-betting aces is just FPS, unless you are playing at super high stakes against the same players everyday or something and need to add deception to your game. Deception is probably never needed at micro/low/medium stakes. Just bet your hand and take someone's stack.

2) You're losing a lot of value when someone has an overpair to the board that is willing to pay you off and not believe you, thinking you have AK. They could also end up sigh-calling and paying you off with 1010. Also, on such a dry board texture, whiffed overcards and A-high are probably willing to look you on the flop, but not on the turn as there is only one more card to come as opposed to two. On such a dry board, they may also bluff-raise you, giving you more money (only place I see this on is 25NL Zone on Bovada though, which has tons of aggro donks and spewy players). Also, in a 3-bet pot, a lot of people will float 1/2 pot-sized pots, especially IP. Also, small bets in 3-bet pots should be deemed suspicious by thinking players, so they might not reraise you with their overpairs. So just bet your hand.

3) I personally don't bet "big" on super wet flops because if we get action on our big bets, we are not going to be happy. Also, very big bets (85%+ PSB) is probably going to deter draws on the turn, so we're losing a lot of value. We also turn our hand face-up, and can get easily outplayed if we're OOP. You're basically telling your opponent that you have a big overpair or TPTK, which is not good. If you're reraised on a wet board when you bet huge, you should just be folding. You're repping an overpair and TPTK, and if you GII or call, you're either going to see a nasty combo draw, set, or 2 pair.

Advice would be to just bet your hand, and don't make your hand so transparent :)
 
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The best way to play aces?

There isnt any one default best play, and so there isnt really an answer to the question that you can universally apply.

Learn about reading villians betting patterns, hand reading, value betting, levels of thinking etc.......

Basically the way forward is to learn about all the different poker principles, then when you get dealt aces (and any other hand) you will be able to logically plan ahead.

Just asking how to play one specific hand (which you will be dealt with 0.45% of the time) isnt really the best way to go about your learning as a player.
 
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Watch out for those small pocket pairs that might hit.
Lots of players are relying on these sets and will more than likely do the trapping.
 
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I don't feel like your current strategy works for pocket AA's. For one, if you're not 4betting in position with AA, what are you 4betting with? You want as much money in preflop as possible. You're a huge favorite over any other hand, it's a wise investment. Sure, calling a 3bet with AA's can be fine occasionally, but the slow play is dangerous. AA is a premium preflop hand, you need to narrow your opponents range to AKo+, JJ+, AQs+ as best you can (they'll be drawing to second best hand against us most of the time).

I would go ahead and half pot the dry flop for value. You might scare them off, but the alternative is you let them stick around for a free card to beat you. That'd be an expensive mistake with AAs.

A big bet on a wet flop is something else I just wouldn't recommend. As it was said above me, anyone who calls probably has something. Likely something that wrecks overpair, depending on how big you bet. Nothing wrong with a 3/4 pot bet in that situation.

Example:
$1/$2 NL your stack is $200

Pot is $39, you have your [Ac][Ad], flop is [Qs][Ks][9s] and you bet $50. If you get a caller, you can be against a few two-pair, sets, straights or flushes. Especially if you didn't 4 bet. We're talking any [As], KK, QQ, JJ, KJs+, KQs+, etc etc. The pot is bloated and what will you do on the turn when you're looking at $140 in the middle?
 
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I don't feel like your current strategy works for pocket AA's. For one, if you're not 4betting in position with AA, what are you 4betting with? You want as much money in preflop as possible. You're a huge favorite over any other hand, it's a wise investment. Sure, calling a 3bet with AA's can be fine occasionally, but the slow play is dangerous. AA is a premium preflop hand, you need to narrow your opponents range to AKo+, JJ+, AQs+ as best you can (they'll be drawing to second best hand against us most of the time).

I would go ahead and half pot the dry flop for value. You might scare them off, but the alternative is you let them stick around for a free card to beat you. That'd be an expensive mistake with AAs.

A big bet on a wet flop is something else I just wouldn't recommend. As it was said above me, anyone who calls probably has something. Likely something that wrecks overpair, depending on how big you bet. Nothing wrong with a 3/4 pot bet in that situation.

Example:
$1/$2 NL your stack is $200

Pot is $39, you have your <font color='black'>A♣</font><font color='red'>A<font face="arial">♦</font></font>, flop is Q♠K♠9♠ and you bet $50. If you get a caller, you can be against a few two-pair, sets, straights or flushes. Especially if you didn't 4 bet. We're talking any A♠, KK, QQ, JJ, KJs+, KQs+, etc etc. The pot is bloated and what will you do on the turn when you're looking at $140 in the middle?
although i really dont understand why you would overbet one of the scariest boards you can find for aces i do agree with your mentality as a whole. bad thing is that in low stakes people only 4bet with AA and KK. they actually might only 3bet with AA and Kings and call the rest so if you play zoom poker like i am and you dont care about the metagame you want to extract value from hands like aces. my 3bet range is pretty wide in late position and against a late position open but the thing is that my opponents dont know it so they cant bellieve im bluffing to try and re-bluff me when i have aces... i have been many times with QQ or JJ vs KK or AA. but i have never been in a situation with me holding the Aces or the Kings and the other guy holding a weaker premium hand. in low stakes zoom people are total nits when it comes to reraises. if you get pot-3betted and you have QQ you might even need to consider folding (i obviously dont but all times i had QQ and got 3bet-pot i was against KK or AA)
 
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well now, as I was about to reply to this I was dealt aces playing .05-.10 with 12.48 behind, .. anyway.. he had QQ,, he raised,,I 3bet..he shoved,, I call..he flopped quads...then I just rebuy for $10..someone raises to .60 .. I have 55,, call someone else calls.. flop set .. triple up against AA and 10,10 on a 9 high flop. crazy right!!! all in the time it took me to reply to this post, bout 3 minutes
 
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First of all you need to see how many players went into the game and how many chips t

First of all you need to see how many players went into the game and how many chips they paid for it. Then carefully look at the flop, if you are threatened by something like a flush draw or a straight draw, then you must bet the pot equal to the bank or even go all-in, because if you bet a small bet, the opponents can call and find straight or flush, and then you lose. It also plays a role in what position you are in, if in the early position, then you can get a check that would entice the opponents into a trap, and if in a late position, then you need to bet. The size of the bet you will determine, depending on the situation on the flop.
 
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