Pocket Aces vs a Small Pocket Pair

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Had pocket Aces playing in Vegas recently at a 1-2 game.

In mid position I held pocket Aces, I re-raised the original raiser to three times his raise, got two callers and the original raiser called as well.

4 of players headed to the flop.

Flop comes 3 and 4 of diamonds and K of clubs. Original raiser checks, I make a nice sized bet about $50, next player folds, next guy re-raises me and the original raiser folds.

I re-raise him and he bets about 200 for the rest of my chips. I call and he turns of pocket 4's giving him trips.
I rivered an Ace to win the hand.

My question is, was I right to call all my chips? And would you call a sizable pre-flop raise with a small pocket pair (4's in this case), should he have folded pre-flop??

Thank you in advance for any feedback!
 
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In theory he should have folded his 4s pre flop, and then in theory you should have folded to his check raise on the flop. People at lower limits simply cant fold big hands. Sometimes you just hit, enjoy your win!
 
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I play a lot of 1-2 and 1-3. This is always a constant problem. You could raise to 25$ and still get 2 calls. I think it depends on how deep you are in the game. ie. I wouldn't have folded with 100-200.00 but most likely would have folded if I had 1k-1500.

It sucks, but its hands like this that make you your money.
 
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I don't really see him calling with the pocket 4s as a bad call, because he seems to be getting pretty good odds. I'm not sure I would have called his re-raise, and definitely not the all in , at that point its pretty obvious he has a set
 
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In theory he should have folded his 4s pre flop, and then in theory you should have folded to his check raise on the flop. People at lower limits simply cant fold big hands. Sometimes you just hit, enjoy your win!



Thanks good advice for the future.
 
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I don't really see him calling with the pocket 4s as a bad call, because he seems to be getting pretty good odds. I'm not sure I would have called his re-raise, and definitely not the all in , at that point its pretty obvious he has a set



Thanks you're right he was getting decent odds.
 
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Had pocket Aces playing in Vegas recently at a 1-2 game.

In mid position I held pocket Aces, I re-raised the original raiser to three times his raise, got two callers and the original raiser called as well.

4 of players headed to the flop.

Flop comes 3 and 4 of diamonds and K of clubs. Original raiser checks, I make a nice sized bet about $50, next player folds, next guy re-raises me and the original raiser folds.

I re-raise him and he bets about 200 for the rest of my chips. I call and he turns of pocket 4's giving him trips.
I rivered an Ace to win the hand.

You bet 25bb, he raises all-in. SO, you have to play for stacks with one pair.

We fold. One pair is not good here. A draw does this about never. We have to bet here because we can't let draws, and we need value from worse A's, but now that he re-raises, we can rule out worse A's and draws.

You just got lucky but was a bad play. Very bad. You have no idea how bad it was because you won and makes you think you did the right play. It was horrible. It was the typical losing player mentality that cannot let AA go.
 
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You bet 25bb, he raises all-in. SO, you have to play for stacks with one pair.

We fold. One pair is not good here. A draw does this about never. We have to bet here because we can't let draws, and we need value from worse A's, but now that he re-raises, we can rule out worse A's and draws.

You just got lucky but was a bad play. Very bad. You have no idea how bad it was because you won and makes you think you did the right play. It was horrible. It was the typical losing player mentality that cannot let AA go.



Hey pal, I'm not stupid enough to realize I did get lucky on the river.

If you have any common sense yourself I posted this because I requested feedback from better more experienced players.

Lighten up dude and thanks for the feedback. I'll use it as a learning experience, avoid plays like that in the future and don't talk down to people.
 
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4 of players headed to the flop.
just
too many monkeys on tree
 
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Theorically he should have folded his pocket 4s before the flop against your reraise. After the flop i would struggle to fold pocket Aces, but I would, cause it's pretty obvious he hitted the trips. But depending on his table image, it's also an easy call, maybe he could have an AK, but i dont think would have all this action. Hopefully, what was supposed to be your bad beat turned into his hahah, you must play very well man, good luck on tables
 
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You bet 25bb, he raises all-in. SO, you have to play for stacks with one pair.

We fold. One pair is not good here. A draw does this about never. We have to bet here because we can't let draws, and we need value from worse A's, but now that he re-raises, we can rule out worse A's and draws.

You just got lucky but was a bad play. Very bad. You have no idea how bad it was because you won and makes you think you did the right play. It was horrible. It was the typical losing player mentality that cannot let AA go.

I bet you are one of them guys at the poker table that criticizes everyone elses play until you make a bad call, then you have nothing to say. I've seen way to many of your posts jumping on people for what YOU consider a bad play. I agree with you here that it was a fold after his jam, but for you to be high on your horse looking down on people acting like you play GTO every damn hand you play is absurd and down right being an a**hole. You can get your point across that you didnt like the play, list the reasons why and move on without coming off like a jerk.
 
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1-2 is a very weird game, people bet with anything. also limp in with high pockets too
 
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with 4 players to the flop, very possible people have sets(as he did), but at the same time ive played a lot of 1-2 and seen people re-raise you on the flop with much less. i wouldnt fold this in 1-2. alot of Kx show up.
 
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people shove with top pair all the time in my 2/3 live game...
 
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I bet you are one of them guys at the poker table that criticizes everyone elses play until you make a bad call, then you have nothing to say. I've seen way to many of your posts jumping on people for what YOU consider a bad play. I agree with you here that it was a fold after his jam, but for you to be high on your horse looking down on people acting like you play GTO every damn hand you play is absurd and down right being an a**hole. You can get your point across that you didnt like the play, list the reasons why and move on without coming off like a jerk.

You are such a bigot, and unfortunately your attitude seems to be the norm on this forum. So one guy makes a comment giving pretty darn good advice to the other player, but because you did not like his wording, you somehow feel entitled and compelled to berate and insult him in the most despicable way. Maybe he could have been more diplomatic, sure, but if you did not like his style why are you addressing him in a ten times worse way, especially since he did not say anything directly to you in the first place?
 
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Hey pal, I'm not stupid enough to realize I did get lucky on the river.

If you have any common sense yourself I posted this because I requested feedback from better more experienced players.

Lighten up dude and thanks for the feedback. I'll use it as a learning experience, avoid plays like that in the future and don't talk down to people.

I recognize myself in your play. I would not have folded those aces ever, I would have gone all in before the flop though, because when I have aces I want to make sure that I do anything I can to avoid losing the hand. I know it is not not the right way to play, but for me losing a hand when I had aces is very tilting and disheartening, so I prefer to win little than to risk losing when I have aces.. But his advice is good, and the way he put it, even though it sounds a little harsh, is right, and what's right is right. I would be grateful to him if he answered a post of mine with a comment like that.
 
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I always try to avoid to go into flop with more 3 ppl behind with pocket aces..often they will crack your aces
 
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Pre-flop you for the most part know you are in the lead. I feel many people get over confident with AA and consider it a guaranteed win. Pocket AA get beat often, even more so online. When there were 2 diamonds and a K on the flop even with AA I am going to be cautious. I would either make a minimum bet or even check it down to the river. With so many calls pre-flop, In would consider more than 1 PP staying, so any of the 3 cards on the flop could have given trips. You got lucky on the river so enjoy the win but use this as a learning curve and be a bit more cautious next time!:D:D
 
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Pre-flop you for the most part know you are in the lead. I feel many people get over confident with AA and consider it a guaranteed win. Pocket AA get beat often, even more so online. When there were 2 diamonds and a K on the flop even with AA I am going to be cautious. I would either make a minimum bet or even check it down to the river. With so many calls pre-flop, In would consider more than 1 PP staying, so any of the 3 cards on the flop could have given trips. You got lucky on the river so enjoy the win but use this as a learning curve and be a bit more cautious next time!:D:D



Thanks good advice.
 
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I recognize myself in your play. I would not have folded those aces ever, I would have gone all in before the flop though, because when I have aces I want to make sure that I do anything I can to avoid losing the hand. I know it is not not the right way to play, but for me losing a hand when I had aces is very tilting and disheartening, so I prefer to win little than to risk losing when I have aces.. But his advice is good, and the way he put it, even though it sounds a little harsh, is right, and what's right is right. I would be grateful to him if he answered a post of mine with a comment like that.



Thanks
 
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You are such a bigot, and unfortunately your attitude seems to be the norm on this forum. So one guy makes a comment giving pretty darn good advice to the other player, but because you did not like his wording, you somehow feel entitled and compelled to berate and insult him in the most despicable way. Maybe he could have been more diplomatic, sure, but if you did not like his style why are you addressing him in a ten times worse way, especially since he did not say anything directly to you in the first place?

Che is probably the only poster on this forum getting hated on, quite frankly he deserves it at this point. I agree with what you say about not overly critiquing someone for giving an opinion but at this point, che is going to get a lot of hate regardless because his conduct on this forum has been absolutely appalling
 
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