PLAYING SMALL POCKET PAIRS

Durk

Durk

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 26, 2017
Total posts
22
Chips
0
Hey Guys,
I wanted to put out a strategy post regarding small pocket pairs. I believe that playing small pocket pairs is such a commonly misplayed situation by so many low stakes players.
(Now just as a reminder my posts are for Live NLHE Cash Game Play)
So lets start out by talking a little math to start..
Your going to flop a set or better 10.5% of the time when you are dealt a pocket pair.
Set Mining
Ok so you are dealt 44, you want to try and hit a set and you have a $500 stack is it worth calling a 85 dollar raise or 3 bet?
the answer is simple.. No
If you think you have the best hand that is different. (although it is extremely hard playing small pocket pairs post flop if your not simply trying to hit a set) But we are set mining.
So in order to make money set mining we need to do some math...
If we are making a set or better 10.5% of the time then we have to make at least 10.5 times our pre flop investment... Make Sense?
This is a basic concept that a lot of amateur players don't think about.. if a tight player makes a pre flop raise or there's action that consists of a player having a big pocket pair.. we should Never be calling if we don't have 10.5X the pre flop raise in chips OR the Villain does not have more than 10.5X the pre flop raise left in his stack. Obviously this can get a bit trickier when its multiway but I want to keep this post relatively basic.
A rule of mine when I'm at the table is I always want at least 12X the pre flop investment in relative stacks in order to call a pre flop raise with a small pocket pair.
Incorporate this rule into your Cash Game Play and I can gaurantee it will help you start making consistent money long term playing poker!

Feel Free to reply with some feedback, some questions, or some clarification as I am always looking to start discussions with Players within the community!

Good Luck At The Tables Everyone!

-Durk
 
psmcb

psmcb

Enthusiast
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 26, 2017
Total posts
77
Chips
0
pocket pairs are a good hand but to play it you need aggressive
 
Mikeisanace777

Mikeisanace777

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 24, 2017
Total posts
150
Chips
0
Your wrong

For 85 bucks maybe not,or maybe yes.. If the flops comes 7-3-8 and you call that 85 from position with 44 then it's quite possible your opponent will bet out or check in other words you need to know your opponent. Often times your small pp will be good on the flop based on your opponents weak ace range like a9-a10 or kj. He will miss as often as you will whiff on a set.Now if he bets 50 into that pot you can call hoping to get a 4 to set mine a 5 for a gut shot and it's still quite possible your good. Most intermediate opponents fail to bet the turn so if he checks get that free card hit your gut shot and read the board. If the river comes a 2 he will try to steal with a weird bet,a good bet or just check so you check and show him the best hand.

85 is a little much for 44 you can put him on kq-aj-ak-and possibly any good pp depends on the player in a 1/3 game that's probably a fold for that amount.
 
scorpi224

scorpi224

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Feb 27, 2017
Total posts
146
Awards
4
Chips
0
Pocket 4's is my best hand tbh , i think you can call and see the flop and if you get a set then you can check and let him raise or if you have a straight opportuinty you can continue calling or checking .,
 
Durk

Durk

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 26, 2017
Total posts
22
Chips
0
For 85 bucks maybe not,or maybe yes.. If the flops comes 7-3-8 and you call that 85 from position with 44 then it's quite possible your opponent will bet out or check in other words you need to know your opponent. Often times your small pp will be good on the flop based on your opponents weak ace range like a9-a10 or kj. He will miss as often as you will whiff on a set.Now if he bets 50 into that pot you can call hoping to get a 4 to set mine a 5 for a gut shot and it's still quite possible your good. Most intermediate opponents fail to bet the turn so if he checks get that free card hit your gut shot and read the board. If the river comes a 2 he will try to steal with a weird bet,a good bet or just check so you check and show him the best hand.

85 is a little much for 44 you can put him on kq-aj-ak-and possibly any good pp depends on the player in a 1/3 game that's probably a fold for that amount.

Yes I agree in some scenarios, but not for the average scenario for an amateur player. If you read my post I mention that If you think you have the best hand then it's OK to call but I still don't recommend it for amateur players as small pocket pairs are very hard to play postflop when you don't hit a set and if you dont have stack Depth then your just spewing money. I just don't think an amateur player can profitably call a raise or 3bet with a small pocket pair, not have enough stack Depth to set mine and play profitably post flop. A lot of good things have to happen to make that a profitable play long term especially for an amateur player. Those 532 flops when opponent bets flop, checks turn, and misses river and not bluff hero either is a lot of if"s and simply doesn't happen enough long term to make money.
 
Durk

Durk

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 26, 2017
Total posts
22
Chips
0
Pocket 4's is my best hand tbh , i think you can call and see the flop and if you get a set then you can check and let him raise or if you have a straight opportuinty you can continue calling or checking .,

Fair enough Scorpi224
I just simply am saying that these situations I am talking about are not profitable long term at the average table for the average low stakes player.
 
Y

you feel lucky punk

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 27, 2017
Total posts
17
Chips
0
Playing with small pairs...of cards?

Two things, Durk.

You said, "you flop trips or better...."
I say: whats better than trips? I don't want to flop anything else with small pairs. I don't want a straight or flush, so what else are you referring to? quads?

You said, " is it worth calling 85 bucks......"
I say: What the hell are you calling for? Raise, ya gotta raise them small pairs! The absolute BEST scenario for small pairs is winning the pot before the flop. If you're being raised, raise back enough to make them fold. If they re-raise you again(you limp, they raise, you re-raise, they raise again) then you can safely fold, but if your table image is good then they could fold. Don't count on trips or better. Screw the flop.
Take their money.
"Are you man enough to take it?"-Glengarry Glenross
 
Y

you feel lucky punk

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 27, 2017
Total posts
17
Chips
0
Sorry Durk

One more thing: the only reason I play small pairs to the flop is in the following scenario:
1. I got someone heads up.
2. I'm in position, relative to them.
3. I am pretty sure they only have two unpaired paints.

If the flop comes with no paint, and my opponent looks weak at all, I SHOVE!

And you shove HARD, baby!. (at least thats what my gf tells me to do)

If paint comes....get ready to fold. Cause 9/10 of the time its the correct move.

Screw trips...how often are you going to get correct pot odds to call in NLHE anyway.
 
Durk

Durk

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 26, 2017
Total posts
22
Chips
0
One more thing: the only reason I play small pairs to the flop is in the following scenario:
1. I got someone heads up.
2. I'm in position, relative to them.
3. I am pretty sure they only have two unpaired paints.

If the flop comes with no paint, and my opponent looks weak at all, I SHOVE!

And you shove HARD, baby!. (at least thats what my gf tells me to do)

If paint comes....get ready to fold. Cause 9/10 of the time its the correct move.

Screw trips...how often are you going to get correct pot odds to call in NLHE anyway.

You feel lucky punk
Yea man if that's how you like to play all the power to ya. I'm just simply explaining a way to make consistent money at low stakes live cash games over the long term.
To answer your question about flopping a set or better I mean flopping quads or a full house. You can't flop a straight or a flush with a pocket pair....
Also it is not possible to flop trips with a pocket pair.. trips means there are two of the same card on the board and you hold that card making trips. When you hit your pocket pair on the flop, turn, or river it is called a set.

GL at the table

-Durk
 
A

Ametist17

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 28, 2017
Total posts
100
Chips
0
manual couples need to be played positions if it is small couples! And if for example JJ has to be played aggressively!
 
Pauliefromgoodfellas

Pauliefromgoodfellas

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 3, 2017
Total posts
143
Chips
0
Hey Guys,
I wanted to put out a strategy post regarding small pocket pairs. I believe that playing small pocket pairs is such a commonly misplayed situation by so many low stakes players.
(Now just as a reminder my posts are for Live NLHE Cash Game Play)
So lets start out by talking a little math to start..
Your going to flop a set or better 10.5% of the time when you are dealt a pocket pair.
Set Mining
Ok so you are dealt 44, you want to try and hit a set and you have a $500 stack is it worth calling a 85 dollar raise or 3 bet?
the answer is simple.. No
If you think you have the best hand that is different. (although it is extremely hard playing small pocket pairs post flop if your not simply trying to hit a set) But we are set mining.
So in order to make money set mining we need to do some math...
If we are making a set or better 10.5% of the time then we have to make at least 10.5 times our pre flop investment... Make Sense?
This is a basic concept that a lot of amateur players don't think about.. if a tight player makes a pre flop raise or there's action that consists of a player having a big pocket pair.. we should Never be calling if we don't have 10.5X the pre flop raise in chips OR the Villain does not have more than 10.5X the pre flop raise left in his stack. Obviously this can get a bit trickier when its multiway but I want to keep this post relatively basic.
A rule of mine when I'm at the table is I always want at least 12X the pre flop investment in relative stacks in order to call a pre flop raise with a small pocket pair.
Incorporate this rule into your Cash Game Play and I can gaurantee it will help you start making consistent money long term playing poker!

Feel Free to reply with some feedback, some questions, or some clarification as I am always looking to start discussions with Players within the community!

Good Luck At The Tables Everyone!

-Durk

Ok...I think that you might think this post will help people, but it I don't think it will.

Firstly, Players on low stakes do not call 3 bets of 20% of their stack oop with low pocket pairs. Your thing about making 12x preflop investment is silly.
"Why is it silly," you ask. Because Durk, You will make a higher multiple of your preflop investment when you hit your set the more players that are in the pot, BUT the more players that are in the pot the less playability your pair has the 89.5% of the time when you don't hit the flop.

In general, you can play low pocket pairs much better when you are in position, if you are utg against unknown opponents and dealt 22 you can limp, raise, or fold with 100bb ,I would opt to folding in a full ring game because it is pretty unlikely that no one will raise you. In a game of passive players on a 6 max table, this could be an auto 3x raise utg. There is not really tons of merit to limping if you are opening the pot, it's when there are 3-4 limpers before you that you should limp.
 
R

RakeMyLife

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
May 1, 2013
Total posts
208
Chips
0
Ok...I think that you might think this post will help people, but it I don't think it will.

Firstly, Players on low stakes do not call 3 bets of 20% of their stack oop with low pocket pairs. Your thing about making 12x preflop investment is silly.
"Why is it silly," you ask. Because Durk, You will make a higher multiple of your preflop investment when you hit your set the more players that are in the pot, BUT the more players that are in the pot the less playability your pair has the 89.5% of the time when you don't hit the flop.

Yes, but he clearly stated he was referring mainly to heads up situations. Small pocket pair strategy in a multiway pot would require another (more complicated) post.

In general, you can play low pocket pairs much better when you are in position, if you are utg against unknown opponents and dealt 22 you can limp, raise, or fold with 100bb ,I would opt to folding in a full ring game because it is pretty unlikely that no one will raise you. In a game of passive players on a 6 max table, this could be an auto 3x raise utg. There is not really tons of merit to limping if you are opening the pot, it's when there are 3-4 limpers before you that you should limp.

A lot of this may be true, but OPs post is focused on one type of (common) scenario in which the average amateur player could be losing lots of money unnecessarily. Your suggestions dive into other scenarios...
 
deform fedot

deform fedot

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 27, 2016
Total posts
812
Chips
0
I think a raise 3 BB lucky enough idea, but should be pretty cool time to reset. Of course different situations can be considered in case your set on the flop closest to the nuts do not need to go fast at all, I think it would be better to gradually raise rates until 1/2 gain confidence and win
 
Durk

Durk

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 26, 2017
Total posts
22
Chips
0
Ok...I think that you might think this post will help people, but it I don't think it will.

Firstly, Players on low stakes do not call 3 bets of 20% of their stack oop with low pocket pairs. Your thing about making 12x preflop investment is silly.
"Why is it silly," you ask. Because Durk, You will make a higher multiple of your preflop investment when you hit your set the more players that are in the pot, BUT the more players that are in the pot the less playability your pair has the 89.5% of the time when you don't hit the flop.

In general, you can play low pocket pairs much better when you are in position, if you are utg against unknown opponents and dealt 22 you can limp, raise, or fold with 100bb ,I would opt to folding in a full ring game because it is pretty unlikely that no one will raise you. In a game of passive players on a 6 max table, this could be an auto 3x raise utg. There is not really tons of merit to limping if you are opening the pot, it's when there are 3-4 limpers before you that you should limp.

Pauliefromgoodfellas

I think you may have missed some things...
First of all "your thing about making 12x pre flop investment is silly'' is a near guaranteed way to make money long term.. and it is not ''my thing'' it is a poker concept that nearly all professional poker players use... Some use 15x, some use 10x, I find that 12x is the best +EV in the games and situations I get into most of the time..
Also you say that players don't call off 20% of there stack with small pocket pairs... I use to play 1/2 and I would see that constantly.. I would see guys call off 30-40% of there stack just to hit a set! I even still see it sometimes at 2/5 and 5/10. To say it doesn't happen I just don't understand... I see it happen..
Now to comment on your second comment I specifically said in my post that when it gets multiway it becomes more complicated and I wasn't going to write a 3 page post to cover everything... you definitely have better implied odds when the pot is multiway yes but then you also have to factor in reverse implied odds (mainly of set over set or someone making a straight or flush especially the backdoor or gutshots that can be somewhat hidden) as well as what you stated being that your stand alone pair will rarely be a winner at showdown without improving to a set or better so it also becomes harder to win the pot...
Also you mention 6max and auto 3x raises.. sounds like you are talking about online... I am specifically talking about NLHE live full ring cash games and similar. Getting into 6max and online is another very different topic..
So I don't really understand why you don't believe this concept will help amateur players or even descent - good players that have just not figured out this concept yet... I have taught this to many friends and acquaintances who have later said that it has helped there game... I know when a professional poker player who plays in some of the biggest cash games in North America taught me that concept it definitely helped my game and my win rate.
Now there are a ton of different situations that can make plays different. It is very hard to teach poker concepts over simple words on a computer because there is so many things that go into each and every decision I make at the table. But this is a concept that I believe is great to help players make money over the long run and not only the math, but also the experience of many people including myself has shown it has worked great.

I do appreciate your feedback, Good Luck at the table!

-Durk
 
Pauliefromgoodfellas

Pauliefromgoodfellas

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 3, 2017
Total posts
143
Chips
0
Pauliefromgoodfellas

I think you may have missed some things...
First of all "your thing about making 12x pre flop investment is silly'' is a near guaranteed way to make money long term.. and it is not ''my thing'' it is a poker concept that nearly all professional poker players use... Some use 15x, some use 10x, I find that 12x is the best +EV in the games and situations I get into most of the time..
Also you say that players don't call off 20% of there stack with small pocket pairs... I use to play 1/2 and I would see that constantly.. I would see guys call off 30-40% of there stack just to hit a set! I even still see it sometimes at 2/5 and 5/10. To say it doesn't happen I just don't understand... I see it happen..
Now to comment on your second comment I specifically said in my post that when it gets multiway it becomes more complicated and I wasn't going to write a 3 page post to cover everything... you definitely have better implied odds when the pot is multiway yes but then you also have to factor in reverse implied odds (mainly of set over set or someone making a straight or flush especially the backdoor or gutshots that can be somewhat hidden) as well as what you stated being that your stand alone pair will rarely be a winner at showdown without improving to a set or better so it also becomes harder to win the pot...
Also you mention 6max and auto 3x raises.. sounds like you are talking about online... I am specifically talking about NLHE live full ring cash games and similar. Getting into 6max and online is another very different topic..
So I don't really understand why you don't believe this concept will help amateur players or even descent - good players that have just not figured out this concept yet... I have taught this to many friends and acquaintances who have later said that it has helped there game... I know when a professional poker player who plays in some of the biggest cash games in North America taught me that concept it definitely helped my game and my win rate.
Now there are a ton of different situations that can make plays different. It is very hard to teach poker concepts over simple words on a computer because there is so many things that go into each and every decision I make at the table. But this is a concept that I believe is great to help players make money over the long run and not only the math, but also the experience of many people including myself has shown it has worked great.

I do appreciate your feedback, Good Luck at the table!

-Durk
I misread/misunderstood your original post Durk. In a full ring live or online game you shouldn't be calling raises with tiny pocket pairs if you don't have 10x the raise size in effective stacks. Yep. Agreed. Also agreed that people do this live. That was a very polite response to a rather aggressive comment by me :D
 
C

C3H6S

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 7, 2017
Total posts
326
Chips
0
i play small pockets...just pay or raisen when anybody raise....just for the set!!
 
N

Napkins420

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 2, 2017
Total posts
253
Chips
0
You will flop a set with a PP 1 out of 8 times

Therefore with small pairs I would want at least 8 to 1 pot odds to see a flop

If you follow that then it is a break even play

Hopefully you can make a nice profit when you do flop that set
 
GRIN281289

GRIN281289

Legend
Bronze Level
Joined
Mar 2, 2017
Total posts
1,967
Awards
15
Chips
20
I play very carefully with small pocket hands.well, or all-in when the Bank is negligible
 
Beanfacekilla

Beanfacekilla

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 29, 2012
Total posts
4,966
Awards
1
Chips
1
There is so much bad advice in this thread it tilts me a little.


Subbed.


I will post a detailed write up later. I am playing poker right now.
 
Beanfacekilla

Beanfacekilla

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 29, 2012
Total posts
4,966
Awards
1
Chips
1
Alright. I skimmed over the thread, got the jist of it anyways. I agree with some of the points, and some others, no, just no.


I assume this applies to live low stakes poker. I play all live poker, so I do have some insight and experience to offer. However, I realize I am not a poker wizard just yet.






I believe the odds to hit a set are 1 in 8, roughly 12%, not 10.5. Splitting hairs.

So if we flop set 1 in 8, we need to make 8x the PF investment to break even. That's why I say 10x minimum. $10 raise, V needs $100 back min for me to even think about it, assuming I think he has a big hand, and he will be going broke postflop.




I agree a "set" is with PP. "Trips" are when there are two on the board. Tomato/tomaaaato.



People are giving cookie cutter advice here, a bunch.


IMO, it just depends.


Live players don't 3b real light. 2/5 a little lighter, but they are still pretty tight with their 3b ranges. So, if you are calling 3b pre, you need to have the correct odds (10x minimum behind, prefer 15x+).


And, we like to be in position when possible. However, there are benefits to being OOP as well, like if the V is super aggro, and he is gonna dust off his whole stack to you when you keep checking.


So, I think it's fair to say, when we decide whether to setmine or not, we must consider the player, effective stacks, what kind of hand we think he has, our position, our image, etc. Like if we have some nitty image we may not even get paid off, so that would be a factor in a setmine decision as well.

If we have an active, aggro, unpredictable image, yeah, better to setmine with.


Good targets to setmine are:
  • Blasters, recklessly aggro players
  • People we know have big PP, and they never fold overpair
  • Look up artists
  • Calling stations
  • Drunk people

Bad targets to setmine are:
  • Nitty scared money players, nut peddlers
  • Smart opponents who will know what we have
  • Fit or fold players
  • Players with MUBS (monsters under the bed syndrome); these people will make super LOL folds, and say things like "I know you had a straight/flush/set!"




Someone suggested peeling on 8-7-3r or something with 4-4, if we think PFR missed with overs. So, the suggestion is C/C on 7-3-8r with 4-4, and hoping to get to showdown/improve/PFR slows down on brick turns..... The talk was also about $85 pre flop raise, and then the V betting only $50 on the flop? This is not reality. If you are HU, OOP, with 4-4 on 7-3-8r, and PFR is betting $50 at a $170 pot, kudos.

So in the above scenario, what turn cards do we really like? Fours. There are two of them (at best) left in the deck. What turn cards do we not like? Pretty much every other turn card if V continues to bet.


So, if you didn't flop a set, and there are over cards, yeah, just fold dude. Seriously. Literally torching money calling it off here. There could be merit to a raise, turn hand into a bluff, but that's stupid too. We have like next to 0% we improve if we get called, and we OOP.

That is what the players that I like to play against do. They call too much postflop with hands that have little/no equity. Don't do that. Check calling with underpairs OOP should be avoided, almost always. There are very few exceptions.


Reasons to raise a PP pre, even small PP:
  • We have position
  • Table is passive, likely to see flop as the aggressor
  • We have a tight image, people will give us too much credit
  • To build a pot if we smash a set
  • We have an active image, but table doesn't 3b at all, size bet to go multiway in this scenario. Multiway pots are great if we hit a set. It means someone is probably going to donate....

Reasons to maybe consider limping PP pre (smaller pairs):
  • If we open, we are likely to be blown off the hand by a 3b
  • Out of position, tough players behind
  • Live tells that someone can't wait to raise, yeah this really happens, and it is sometimes painfully obvious if you are watching


I'm sure there are other points. Those are a few.



Now, in general, if we setmine HU, this is fine and good, but this also means the other player needs to have a hand to pay us off postflop. It's only one guy, and people miss flops 60+% of the time. So if you're going HU, they need to have a big hand, or be a blaster who hates money. Multiway pots are much better to setmine, because we get paid more often when we flop a set. Worrying about set over set, and people backdooring gutters in MW pots is kind of silly man. Fear based thinking. Set over set is pretty rare. Not something I am gonna concern myself with. It happens sometimes, it's whatever.


If I flop a set multi way, I'm happy. Some poor guy/girl who smashed 2p or a SD or FD is usually losing his/her money, because these folks who limp/call Q-4 "sooted" and flop 3rd NFD aren't driving to the casino to fold flush draws. They aren't folding TP. They will convince themselves you are bluffing if you don't blow them off the hand most times.

IMO, the more people in the hand, the more chance someone gives me action if I hit my set.

There are scenarios (very rare), where I have correctly folded set over set, because the action dictated I do so. There are also times when I got whacked set over set.

However, flopping a set at live NLHE is about one of the best spots you can come across. Depending on board texture, sometimes we need to slow down, recognize when we got outdrawn (like 4 to a straight, 4 to a flush, and people with sets still call on the turn for PSB), and we need to fold sometimes. This would all fall under the "it just depends" umbrella.



And in general, most times I just raise PPs. I don't if I am worried someone will 3b and force me to fold pre, and miss an opportunity to stack someone.

But if we raise pre with say 4-4 for example.


Let's say we get two people who limp call pre. They are gonna have stuff like PP themselves, they will have paint cards like QJ, KJ, bunch of hands with 10x, Ax hands.


So, lets say we see 3w flop, in position. We raised pre. We have 4-4.\

Flop comes Q-10-2 with FD.


Some novice players will cbet flops like this, with 4-4, hoping to win. I think this is a clear give up here. Check back.

Let's say we have 4-4, IP, and we raise, go 3w again.

This time flop K-7-2r.

Checks to us. This board is so dry. I tend to think Kx dry flop a little better than Ax in terms of it being unlikely either of my opponents connected. Even A-8-2r a cbet may get through. HU def. 3w, your choice. Read/villain/image dependent.

If we have a winning image in a live game, it is surprising what we can get away with. If we have a losing image, even if we're playing well, people just call you more. So, really consider what do these people think of you before trying to cbet bluff HU or 3w. I would't cbet bluff more than 3w to make things simple. Even 3w meh.




And, there is nothing wrong with the old saying "no set no bet". It is cookie cutter, but it isn't wrong. If we get called on K-8-3 when we hold 4-4, yeah we are done with the hand, unless we somehow turn a 4 from the heavens. Point being, we have very little chance to improve if called. One and done with the cbet generally. There are exceptions, but I think there are better spots to risk money than barreling against some fish with 2 outs.



That's what I think anyways. If I'm wrong, correct me. If you don't agree with some things I said, let's talk about it. This is actually a pretty interesting subject. Good thread OP!
 
Durk

Durk

Rising Star
Bronze Level
Joined
Feb 26, 2017
Total posts
22
Chips
0
BeanFace 10.5% set or better. are you not counting when you flop a full house? And yes splitting hairs is necessary in this game.. this thread wasn't meant to go nearly into the amount of detail you did... this was meant to be a quick and basic post regarding some aspects of playing small pocket pairs specifically set mining. I did not read it all I just read the first little bit and realised that if you were wrong about that may and misread my post then there would likely be much more either wrong or missing from your very detailed post...
And yes this was a post in regards to live low stakes nlhe.. And for you to disregard or say the information I have posted is possibly "wrong" or "bad" I am not going to argue you. But I see that you say you have some experience in regards to the topic.. well I am a professional poker player myself and play in some of the highest stakes cash games in canada.. including a ton of lower stakes (which is where I started). All relatively recently. So yes you may have some experience regarding this topic I don't doubt that. But be mindful of my experience and the extreme amount I have and do study this game...
 
A

Aparajit

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
May 25, 2017
Total posts
821
Chips
0
Usually when I play big buyin games, I fold low pockets because when you get those there is possibility someone on the table having a bigger pockets or A K or A Q etc, it happens 90% time or I just call if Im big blind check to see if I can hit 3 of a kind.

And in small buyin games, I go all in just to collect the blinds. lol
 
Beanfacekilla

Beanfacekilla

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 29, 2012
Total posts
4,966
Awards
1
Chips
1
BeanFace 10.5% set or better. are you not counting when you flop a full house? And yes splitting hairs is necessary in this game.. this thread wasn't meant to go nearly into the amount of detail you did... this was meant to be a quick and basic post regarding some aspects of playing small pocket pairs specifically set mining. I did not read it all I just read the first little bit and realised that if you were wrong about that may and misread my post then there would likely be much more either wrong or missing from your very detailed post...
And yes this was a post in regards to live low stakes nlhe.. And for you to disregard or say the information I have posted is possibly "wrong" or "bad" I am not going to argue you. But I see that you say you have some experience in regards to the topic.. well I am a professional poker player myself and play in some of the highest stakes cash games in Canada.. including a ton of lower stakes (which is where I started). All relatively recently. So yes you may have some experience regarding this topic I don't doubt that. But be mindful of my experience and the extreme amount I have and do study this game...



You are taking my post personally. It wasn't directed at anyone, and furthermore, I wasn't talking about what you said. I was reading replies to your OP, and cringed in some spots.



So, you didn't even read my post. You are saying if I am wrong about 10.5%, there must be more wrong in my post? So you didn't read it?


So what are you trying to accomplish with this thread? You just wanted to tell everyone what you know, and not read any other input?



I put quite a bit of thought into my post. Lol. It's pretty good stuff I thought. It's whatever, I don'treally care if you read it. Maybe it will help someone else.
 
Beanfacekilla

Beanfacekilla

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 29, 2012
Total posts
4,966
Awards
1
Chips
1
Oh yeah, here. You are wrong too bro.
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot_20170917-234017.jpg
    Screenshot_20170917-234017.jpg
    20.2 KB · Views: 10
Top