Thanks guys – great responses, lots to ponder!
Re waiting for a better spot, the point about not waiting like tournaments def reflects the fact I play more tournaments than cash, and looking to maximize +EV makes sense. Reducing variance and being underrolled for $200NLHE was spot on the case here, as another poster mentioned.
Tbh, being OOP I didn’t really consider 4-betting for very long, but shoving here makes sense, and would likely have produced a button fold, in hindsight. I am pretty nitty, but trying to improve to a strong TAG player with decent elements of LAG at the right moments. Yep, I was never going to flat call in this spot, that felt all kinds of wrong, fold or raise was the instinct, so it’s encouraging to see this general advice here.
I think this is a player dependent decision, but as I gain experience/skills, one I should no doubt work in live. (It’s funny, I’m still developing the 4-bet into my live cash game – other than obv hands like QQ, KK, AA, but online for lower stakes ring games, I’m much more comfortable 4-betting with a slightly wider range. Clearly it’s the $230 stakes here, not exactly scared money, but not something I’m doing every day either … yet
Whether to 4-bet to $90 or shove – very interesting. I would have prob gotta fold for $125 but like has been mentioned, pot-committed anyhow if he shoves, so strong argument for 4-betting on my terms OOP etc.
Live rake here, btw, is 10% up to $10 per pot, plus $5 per hour time charge, so it’s fairly awful.
Aleksei – I really like your point about treating JJ here like 22-99 and set mining with it. I could have limped or min-raised and happily called a late position raise for prob much the same price as my initial raise. I set mined 5 times across yesterday’s session and enjoyed good fortune twice, so yeah, why not.