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if ur like me then plz help me lol i can normally play well on the cash tables some times for a good few hours and build up a few chips and then i one wrong move lose the whole lot like in this situation here i pick up AA and i make a standard 4x raise get called by the active player who has hardly any chips then i end up winning them but the very next hand i get dealt KK flop looks good no ace no queen no draws but wat the chances ur up against AA after i just had them b4 the odds on that plz someone i raised pre like i normally do the guy just calls and thats it game over for me lol happens every time
 
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The odds for seeing AA don't change just because you saw them last hand. Each deal is a new one and it all starts again.
If we played enough hands we would all eventually see AA five times in a row. It can happen so one day it will. It's just a matter of time.
Sheet happens man. :confused:
 
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The odds for seeing AA don't change just because you saw them last hand. Each deal is a new one and it all starts again.
If we played enough hands we would all eventually see AA five times in a row. It can happen so one day it will. It's just a matter of time.
Sheet happens man. :confused:

I gotten aces twice in a row once! That felt really nice. Except I think I won once and then lost the second time.
 
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Padge did you know that since the first 52 card deck was produced hundreds of years ago. There has never been two well shuffled decks with all the cards in the same order, EVER.
If you grab a new deck and shuffle it really well, the order those cards are in has never been the same before in the whole of history and most likely never will for millions and millions of years.
Sound like bs? it's strange but it's true.
 
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Padge did you know that since the first 52 card deck was produced hundreds of years ago. There has never been two well shuffled decks with all the cards in the same order, EVER.
If you grab a new deck and shuffle it really well, the order those cards are in has never been the same before in the whole of history and most likely never will for millions and millions of years.
Sound like bs? it's strange but it's true.

I saw a whole video about this... It is true.
 
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I gotten aces twice in a row once! That felt really nice. Except I think I won once and then lost the second time.

Yeah this happend to me today it was heart-breaking but I won with a pair of three against KJ and A9 that was Great!:D
 
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I saw a whole video about this... It is true.

There is absolutely no way to prove this. Not everybody films their first shuffle of a deck, so it's plausible that it has happened at some point.

Back to the main topic: OP, this is why you play with a bankroll. Sometimes you're going to get coolered, it's the nature of the game. Once you've played enough hands, you'll be making a profit in these situations.
 
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if ur like me then plz help me lol i can normally play well on the cash tables some times for a good few hours and build up a few chips and then i one wrong move lose the whole lot like in this situation here i pick up AA and i make a standard 4x raise get called by the active player who has hardly any chips then i end up winning them but the very next hand i get dealt KK flop looks good no ace no queen no draws but wat the chances ur up against AA after i just had them b4 the odds on that plz someone i raised pre like i normally do the guy just calls and thats it game over for me lol happens every time

There is more to poker than just getting KK and stacking off on a J 4 3 2 9 board.

Part of poker is understanding your villains.

Let me give you an example, this happened to me the other day. I was playing 2/5nl, eff stacks $1.2k

I was dealt KK in the CO.

UTG was an aggro spewtard, LP was an aggro spewtard, SB was a very competent and winning TAG. Me and SB have history and he knows I'm a good winning player.

UTG raises $15, LP calls, I 3-bet to $65, SB calls, UTG calls, LP folds. 3-way action.

Flop($210) J 4 7r
SB checks, UTG checks, I bet $150, SB calls, UTG calls.

When SB calls, I think to myself, "crap." But why? I mean, I have KK here and the board is bone dry.

Here is where the other dimensions of poker come to play. SB is a very competent winning TAG and he is NEVER calling my $65 preflop 3-bet with AJ or KJ or QJ. When I raise to $65 my range is TT+, AQ+, KQ with majority of weight being to TT+. Thus, since SB is a competent TAG he is never calling my raise with a reverse implied odds hand like AJ. His 3-bet calling range will be exclusively 22-TT set mining and an occasional JJ/QQ that he will play post flop for value. He may also have AA/KK and the reason he would flat that as well is because he doesn't want to chase out the aggro spewtard. He would/could then check flop since he would know that I'm c-betting near 100% of the time.

So, when he calls my flop bet on this bone dry of a board his range is 44, 77, JJ, QQ, AA (I discount KK since I have KK). Out of his entire range the only hand I beat is QQ :(

Lastly, SB can also call me here with 88, 99, TT to reevaluate next street since AK is in my range. That is possible and if this is the case I expect him to check/evaluate turn.

Now, the spewtard has a wide range that includes sets but also Jx and even gut shots and/or smaller pockets that put me on AK and think I whiffed. Obviously i'm happy to get it in with the spewtard but I know I'm dead against the SB.

Turn($660) T
SB bets $400, UTG calls, Hero????

When SB leads out he's doing so because he doesn't want to lose value from the spewtard since I would have to check back AK if I whiffed. So when he leads out for a strong bet I know I'm crushed by sets and possibly AA and the only hand in his range I beat is QQ, so I fold my KK :(

River(1460) J
SB goes all-in for $600-ish, UTG snap calls

SB had 77 for the fullhouse
UTG had KJ for trips

Now, if SB had been an aggro spewtard I doubt I would have been able to get off the hand because his range would have included too many hands I beat. Also, if I were only $300 or $400 deep I probably would not have been able to get off the hand. But because SB was competent and we were both 200bb+ deep I was able to narrow his range and get off the hand...

So my point is that its more than just being dealt cards. You have to have a read on your villains and understanding of their tendencies.

If you are up against villains that will stack off 100bb with TPMK or TPGK then you can never fold your overpair against them.

If you are up against villains that will never stack off 100bb w TPMK or TPGK then you need to seriously consider folding your overpairs to them

If the action has progressed such that your villain's range narrows to monsters then you need to be folding your overpairs.

hope this helps
 
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There is more to poker than just getting KK and stacking off on a J 4 3 2 9 board.

Part of poker is understanding your villains.

Let me give you an example, this happened to me the other day. I was playing 2/5nl, eff stacks $1.2k

I was dealt KK in the CO.

UTG was an aggro spewtard, LP was an aggro spewtard, SB was a very competent and winning TAG. Me and SB have history and he knows I'm a good winning player.

UTG raises $15, LP calls, I 3-bet to $65, SB calls, UTG calls, LP folds. 3-way action.

Flop($210) J 4 7r
SB checks, UTG checks, I bet $150, SB calls, UTG calls.

When SB calls, I think to myself, "crap." But why? I mean, I have KK here and the board is bone dry.

Here is where the other dimensions of poker come to play. SB is a very competent winning TAG and he is NEVER calling my $65 preflop 3-bet with AJ or KJ or QJ. When I raise to $65 my range is TT+, AQ+, KQ with majority of weight being to TT+. Thus, since SB is a competent TAG he is never calling my raise with a reverse implied odds hand like AJ. His 3-bet calling range will be exclusively 22-TT set mining and an occasional JJ/QQ that he will play post flop for value. He may also have AA/KK and the reason he would flat that as well is because he doesn't want to chase out the aggro spewtard. He would/could then check flop since he would know that I'm c-betting near 100% of the time.

So, when he calls my flop bet on this bone dry of a board his range is 44, 77, JJ, QQ, AA (I discount KK since I have KK). Out of his entire range the only hand I beat is QQ :(

Lastly, SB can also call me here with 88, 99, TT to reevaluate next street since AK is in my range. That is possible and if this is the case I expect him to check/evaluate turn.

Now, the spewtard has a wide range that includes sets but also Jx and even gut shots and/or smaller pockets that put me on AK and think I whiffed. Obviously i'm happy to get it in with the spewtard but I know I'm dead against the SB.

Turn($660) T
SB bets $400, UTG calls, Hero????

When SB leads out he's doing so because he doesn't want to lose value from the spewtard since I would have to check back AK if I whiffed. So when he leads out for a strong bet I know I'm crushed by sets and possibly AA and the only hand in his range I beat is QQ, so I fold my KK :(

River(1460) J
SB goes all-in for $600-ish, UTG snap calls

SB had 77 for the fullhouse
UTG had KJ for trips

Now, if SB had been an aggro spewtard I doubt I would have been able to get off the hand because his range would have included too many hands I beat. Also, if I were only $300 or $400 deep I probably would not have been able to get off the hand. But because SB was competent and we were both 200bb+ deep I was able to narrow his range and get off the hand...

So my point is that its more than just being dealt cards. You have to have a read on your villains and understanding of their tendencies.

If you are up against villains that will stack off 100bb with TPMK or TPGK then you can never fold your overpair against them.

If you are up against villains that will never stack off 100bb w TPMK or TPGK then you need to seriously consider folding your overpairs to them

If the action has progressed such that your villain's range narrows to monsters then you need to be folding your overpairs.

hope this helps

thanks all for ur replies i read and understood all comments and reading this one gonna make me understand more about what ur saying i need to decide if the players good all bad and i need to try and put them on specif hands in the future thanks again guys
 
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Go with the flow. Your time will come. Both good hands. Sometimes you lose inspite of it all.
 
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if ur like me then plz help me lol i can normally play well on the cash tables some times for a good few hours and build up a few chips and then i one wrong move lose the whole lot like in this situation here i pick up AA and i make a standard 4x raise get called by the active player who has hardly any chips then i end up winning them but the very next hand i get dealt KK flop looks good no ace no queen no draws but wat the chances ur up against AA after i just had them b4 the odds on that plz someone i raised pre like i normally do the guy just calls and thats it game over for me lol happens every time

You need to make yourself a game plan that works, or steal one from somone else but what i can say is the more you play the better you get! Dont go fishing much!
 
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I think you should not playing so long time on one table on cash games. I mean when you make some good cash on the beginning or later than you should stand up from that table, because always when you make some good money and continue to play on that table the chance to lose all the money that you won earlier is maybe 80-90%.
It always happen to me, so now when I make some money on one table I stand up from there and seat on some other table.
 
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What you see is not enough

if ur like me then plz help me lol i can normally play well on the cash tables some times for a good few hours and build up a few chips and then i one wrong move lose the whole lot like in this situation here i pick up AA and i make a standard 4x raise get called by the active player who has hardly any chips then i end up winning them but the very next hand i get dealt KK flop looks good no ace no queen no draws but wat the chances ur up against AA after i just had them b4 the odds on that plz someone i raised pre like i normally do the guy just calls and thats it game over for me lol happens every time

If someone is willing to go All-in, there is always some probability, that he has someting more then just a pair. You say "flop looks good no ace no queen no draws", but it means you calculate only with what you see, you should also consider what you dont see. Anyone can call your preflop raise with any pair and if he flops the set you can't see it, but he is better, than your over pair. So if you go All-in with a mere pair, you should not be surprised if you are beated with two pairs or trips, just becouse the flop seems to be safe...

Consider what you don't see is my advice ;)
 
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I had a 1st hand MTT that went raise, re-raise on and on till we were all in on the first hand of the tourney. We both had AA and he sucked out a 4 runner flush to beat me. The ONLY hand he could have made to beat me Flush or Str8 Flush. Its called odds and they catch up to you good and bad at times.

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