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Whats up. It has kind of been a weird week for myself. I was wondering have any of you out there have been playing some of the best poker of their life, but it seems that the results are not there and you are running bad. I know you would think how the hell you are playing good but you are losing money at the end of the day. I dont know but I can tell you that I am really feeling really good with my game. I have added some more plays check raising, raising with a wider range, c betting in a more optimal fashion. Putting pressure in spots and folding when i need to, but I am finding that i will win a lot of hands and then i will hit that bad hand that pretty much puts me back at even or below. I m really good preflop, really good on the turn and i have just been slammed on the river. I have folded so many good hands that have been killeed on the river. I am just asking for suggestions. Once again I am truly happy with my game and how i am playing, I just wish the results will just come and follow. Thanks for your help.
 
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What stakes do you play?

It's completely possible that you shouldn't be "adding moves" at all, depending on how low- or high-level your opponents are thinking. It's good to not lose confidence in your abilities when you run bad, but the biggest mistake you can make in poker is assuming you're better than you are. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but you haven't said anything like "I think I'm playing well, but want to make sure," or "I haven't tilted really hard in any spots, but I want to review my play to make sure I'm not spewing a little."

Asking those kinds of questions and following up on them is how you improve.

Also, how long have you been "running bad"? I'm guessing your sample size is much smaller (relatively) than you realize.
 
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Maybe you started to play good not that long ago, as well as checking your results more strictly. You said it has been a really weird week. A week is a very small range to decide whether you just hit bad and lose by playing good or you just make key mistakes. GL
 
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i mostly play at 4 and 10nl on carbon. I am going to make a video and link it to it later today so that you can give me a better idea if i am doing the wrong things when i am playing. I really believe that I am playing well. When i went on a streak like this about 2 months ago. It was totally my fault and then i got all of that back and got myself back on track. This month came and I am down at least 145 dollars. It has been frustrating. The question that I am having is whether I am just being unfortunate or are there things that the opponenents are telling me that they have the best hand. I have been playing against calling stations a lot and they have been just murdering me. I had top top pair top kicker and a guy stayed in with 6 10 suited. There was nothing on the board that mathced his suit but he happened to get runner runner straight. i have no clue. My confidence is extremely low and i just want to get out of this rut. I truly believe I have been playing well especially compared to two years ago when i started. I would have my poker tracker, but since carbon updated their hand history software none of the hands will not show up and while i am playing i have my hands window in the upper right so that i can see what happened and marked the hand so i can go back and look at it later.

I know that these type of runs happen to everyone, but it has been a month full of these type of things. Beside i am going to las vegas so i really want to be in a confident psychy when i hit those tables.

Thanks for the suggestions and questions that i should be asking myself
 
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Sometimes it happens that you try to play accurately and correctly but game is not folded and you lose. Just not your day. This may be true.
 
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i mostly play at 4 and 10nl on carbon. I am going to make a video and link it to it later today so that you can give me a better idea if i am doing the wrong things when i am playing. I really believe that I am playing well. When i went on a streak like this about 2 months ago. It was totally my fault and then i got all of that back and got myself back on track. This month came and I am down at least 145 dollars. It has been frustrating. The question that I am having is whether I am just being unfortunate or are there things that the opponenents are telling me that they have the best hand. I have been playing against calling stations a lot and they have been just murdering me. I had top top pair top kicker and a guy stayed in with 6 10 suited. There was nothing on the board that mathced his suit but he happened to get runner runner straight. i have no clue. My confidence is extremely low and i just want to get out of this rut. I truly believe I have been playing well especially compared to two years ago when i started. I would have my poker tracker, but since carbon updated their hand history software none of the hands will not show up and while i am playing i have my hands window in the upper right so that i can see what happened and marked the hand so i can go back and look at it later.

I know that these type of runs happen to everyone, but it has been a month full of these type of things. Beside i am going to las vegas so i really want to be in a confident psychy when i hit those tables.

Thanks for the suggestions and questions that i should be asking myself

If you want to know how you are playing, your best bet is to post hands in the cash games thread. You will find that you get very valuable feedback if you take the time to post hands there. FYI, your feedback will be better if you initially post the hands but not the hand result (which you can post later).

Take a look at the cash games thread to get an idea what types of hands people post and how they go about it, then start posting. If you do, you'll know pretty quickly whether you're playing well and running bad or not playing so well.

Good luck.

-HooDooKoo
 
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Alright fellas i went ahead and made a video. I think there is some leaks that you might be able to see and inform me of. I would like to have all critics come and help me out so that i can keep getting better. I just have not played very well and i think after watching this i guess i am not playing well at all. I guess i might be too hard on myself, but I just suck right now.

here is the link

http://youtu.be/vjv9_Yl7BrQ
 
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Alright fellas i went ahead and made a video. I think there is some leaks that you might be able to see and inform me of. I would like to have all critics come and help me out so that i can keep getting better. I just have not played very well and i think after watching this i guess i am not playing well at all. I guess i might be too hard on myself, but I just suck right now.

here is the link

http://youtu.be/vjv9_Yl7BrQ

Video is private
 
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Sorry about that man. It is up and public. I went and watch the video and i think i may have found my problem. Now i would like to see if someone else is noticing the same thing. Thanks for the look
 
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Nobody's perfect, but me .distracted from the game, spend analysis.
 
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Yeah I play the 2.2 hypers on carbon, and I'm one of the best regs. Money consistently going in good but am down. Think I'm about 30-40BI under EV but dunno for sure. Video is a bit hard to see, would be helpful if you post individual spots in hand analysis section :)


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What i will do the next time is that i will make sure to zoom the picture a little bit more so that you will be able to see it. I went back and listened to it from the beginning to the end and i notice 2 huge problems that i was just leaking money to other opponents. The first is that I was absolutely playing too many hands from early position. Not only was i playing these hands from early position most of the times i was raising or 3 betting someone from these positions. We all know that these are some of the most unprofitable positions in poker and i think i was being way too agressive when there were times i could have called and just had a chance to look at a flop. The 2nd problem that I had is that when i raised all of the time, i believed instead of making players think(especially at micros) that i was strong with strong hands and could play any type of hands, i believe that i was narrowing my range to a certain select amount of hands. When i missed even if i c bet the cbet was so frequent that players were just not buying that i had hit the flop or had a better pair.

Its funny i never thought that recording a video of yourself and hearing yourself rationalize your hands would be so helpful. I would suggest that all people do that. If you can really look at what happens with an open minds then you will be able to see some of the mistakes you make. Obviously i was making a glaring mistake and people were taking me to lunch on it. Its all good though.

If you have some ideas on my video please feel free to comment all of it helps me out whether its good or bad.
 
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1:16 - Call with T8o OTB, imo.
1:35 - Fold Q9o PF.
2:10 - Raise 33 sometimes UTG; don't rule it out. Not sure if you're speaking in the video; no audio atm.
2:55 - Raise bigger with ATo or you can check and look to catch someone off-guard. Bet OTF. As played, raise back.

Gotta run, but that's a start. I'll get back later.

Disclaimer: I'm probably not right very often.
 
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4:30ish - Lead out with the AK on this particular flop, imo. I think you could have gotten more value out of him by leading out.

8:00 - RAISE. FFS RAISE when they min bet. Or fold. Bet turn.

9:45 - I understand your general premise on the fold, but don't, imo. Especially since he's pushing for less than a buy-in and it's the second time he's done that in less than 10 hands. People will disagree with me on this all day, probably, but I think he'll do the same thing with a lot of Ax, like A5s+.

9:59 - I'm not sure about calling the 3 bet from the SB. It doesn't look like he's trying to push you off of your hand. Without PT4 it's hard to see his tendency overall, but this looks like a value raise. OTF, I'm not sure you can get away from it, but the all-in is pretty extreme and lightning fast. This guy seems to be broadcasting his hand the whole way and I think your automatic reactions clouded your better judgment as you called his hand. Still though, it's Q9o and you called a 3bet.

12:10 - Fold Q8o PF

13m - Raise bigger from UTG with ATo

13:25 - Bet OTT. Bet OTR.

14:45 - Bet OTF.

15:20 - Bet Tbl4

16m - Bet OTT Tbl5 to look like you're swatting off FDs

Maybe I can see some more later. :D

I'm noticing you making a lot of actions simply because it's what you feel like you're "supposed" to do. Stop it. Think for yourself. You mostly use it to call light and fold later, sometimes even after you've hit the best possible card for yourself and you still have to fold because of what they likely had before that turn, river, etc.
 
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6:11 - Table 2 - A6o: Pretty much worst board ever to cbet, so without reads I'm checking back virtually all air hands. We can bet some semibluffs and obviously bet the crap out of value hands but otherwise seems bad.

7:19 - Table 2 - 98s: Original raiser only starts hand with like 40c, so flatting for 8c is pretty bad, even though you're overcalling.

10:00 - Table 2 - AKo: Squeeze/folding AKo seems really bad but it almost seemed like you got distracted and didn't think about it? It seemed like you said you were going to call and then didn't cause you flopped the straight elsewhere... I think it's pretty bad to not gii there when he only has like 60bb. Also, facing that 3b with Q9o we can probably just fold unless we're getting 3b a ton by that player in this spot. Also, why in goodness name are we min-raising?? Raise MUCH bigger. The board is wet, he's never ever folding AK or TT+. If he's 3betting wide he can gii with worse too.

You said "I probably should have gotten away from it." I literally said, OUT loud, "No - NO" when you said that. You can't fold the second nuts here. Think about all the worse hands he will gladly gii with. We don't even know if he's 3betting AQ, but even if he does, that's 12 combos. We don't even know if he takes this line either. He's more likely to 3b smaller or flat imo. He's WAY more likely to overjam with sets and 2 pair and QQ, because they are far more vulnerable but still have outs.

10:40 - Table 6 - 96s: Don't open-complete the SB. There are technically theoretically times where it will be profitable, but more often than not, raising or folding will be MUCH better. Betting flop as played is fine, but you can't x/f turn imo. It's BvB, the turn is kind of a scare card, so what is he realistically betting for value? Maybe he bets 8x and maybe he doesn't, but he should have TONS of air here.

12:40 - Table 3 - K8o: This is pretty damn loose even in the CO of a 4-handed table imo. Two players are short in the blinds as well, which makes me want to tighten up my stealing range. I probably just bet/fold turn tbh. Why are you checking? You just put yourself into a really gross situation. When he pots the turn I'm usually just folding. I mean, I never get into that situation to begin with so it's kind of hard to say, but unless you know people are generally potting their air, I tend to assume bigger bets tend to be for value more often.

15:45 - Table 5 - KJo: Not really sure why you 3bet here. This hand plays quite well as a flat, and you can't 3bet it for value against most players. Cbet smaller on the flop. You can risk a lot less and get the same frequency of folds. Unless you think he's flatting a lot of A high on the flop, I'd be betting when the A hits the turn. It's a pretty good card for our range and a bad one for his.

Table 4 at the same time, why aren't we cbetting the flop? We have an OESD and likely a lot of FE. The turn is probably a fold. River is definitely a fold.

20:46: Did you say your BR was like 700?? And you're still playing 4nl?! Hell, I'd be thinking about shotting 25nl at that point. Do what you're comfortable with, but if you have $700 you have 175 BI's for 4nl... That's insanity.


Overall:
- When you make videos, try to go into your actual thought process, not just "I fold," "I bet," or "I call." We can see your actions, we can't see your thoughts.
- When people are donking into you for like 4c and you're the preflop raiser, it's usually weak pairs or draws. So you should fold or raise. Calling is the worst option.
- Yes, you're running bad. But there are still things you can work on.
- With AK you can consider x/c flops in single raised pots.

All I can look at for now. Will try to watch the rest later if I have time.
 
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Maybe you started to play good not that long ago, as well as checking your results more strictly. You said it has been a really weird week. A week is a very small range to decide whether you just hit bad and lose by playing good or you just make key mistakes. GL

+1 very well said

maybe just unlucky but in a long period of time you will know whether you are doing well or not.Be persistent and success at the tables!
 
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Hi RegHC23 I know just what you mean. That is at least before I started this bad run 2 weeks ago. I will win a lot of hands and get way ahead and that one hand will come that you think can't be beat. And lose all my winnings back to someone else. What I've had to keep in mind while playing all but one hand can be beat. So may when you get those really good hands go into is slowly. I understand you can't fold KK to an alin pre-flop but if you can see the flop you may be able to get away from some hands
 
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I just started the video and I already see a few things

1) This might just be me, but use a preferred seat. If you're playing multiple tables, makes it SO much easier to quickly glance and know where everything's at.

2) If you're not using a HUD, then you need to be taking good note of player tendencies. If you can do that at six separate tables, then holy god you're amazing. If you're not building a strong picture of each individual opponent then you'll end up treating them all as generic villain.

And that's simply not the case, one guy might fold to cbets a lot, maybe someone else hardly ever does. Maybe one guy has only shown AA/KK after 3betting, but someone else has shown 65s after a 3bet. These are the kinds of things you need to know if you're going to optimally exploit your opponents.

*EDIT*

Whoops, didn't mean to submit that post. Watching video now
 
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2:12 - Good god man never ever ever ever ever ever open fold a pair. Raise that s#%* up!

2:41 - I want you to notice what happens here. You raised preflop with A7s, flop comes Q44 vs 2 villains. You cbet and take it down. That's because this is a good board to cbet. However, earlier in the video you raise preflop, flop comes AAx and you check saying, "I'm gonna check, we got three people in the hand", but you are the third person.

It's the exact same scenario as this 2:41 spot except an even more terrifying board for villains. You raised preflop, they see AAx on the board then they run away when you bet. Instead, when the preflop raiser is afraid to bet an AAx board the button says okay thanks, bets and takes it down. If you'd bet instead, a large % of the time, that button folds instead of betting.

Only 3 minutes in, but I don't like the passiveness I'm seeing. AT on a KQ9 flop, you check/call the minbet. My mentality is, "I raised preflop, I'm repping this board. Villain will likely fold, if not I'm happy catching an Ace or a Jack, so I bet". Your line is, well I missed I check, he min bet so I call. Not liking that, maybe it'll improve though.

Holy....crap "I know he has a straight" Is that why he min bet for three streets after you checked to him three times? I'm not seeing why he has a straight at all.

4:31 - You raise AK preflop, get one call, flop AT8hh and Hero checks? This was as you start saying you play with these guys a lot so I thought you were going on to say he was going to bet and you'd checkraise or something, but I don't get it. Bet this out, then when villain bets Hero flats? Again, why? Why flat here? Watching the rest of this hand play out hurt me inside. I was actually talking to my screen, telling you bet, please no don't check! You even say out loud you'd expect him to have a couple hearts here, so why do you give him two free cards? Please....dont do that. Bet, bet, bet

Okay, I'm going to stop watching and making comments on individual plays here. I feel like I've seen enough.

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You're playing the smallest stakes that exist. Your opponents are not good, they will likely call far too often. Even at higher stakes villains are more likely to call too often than fold too often, it's human nature.

On hands like this AK, at these stakes I'm potting this flop, and I'm trying to get stacks in fully expecting to see hands like AQ/AJ random flush draws.

Cbet more. I was going to say cbet more on dry boards, or boards with high cards, but you're not even cbetting those. If you took the lead preflop, don't give it up on the flop, bet it out and take it down. *Edit* It's like a train wreck, I can't look away. At ~6:00 there's actually a demo of the perfect board NOT to cbet, and you finally cbet something and get check-raised. These highly connected, wet boards especially with middle cards are what I'll finally bring it back in on. FYI my cbet % is around 80%, and even I would not cbet this board, lol.

Can you provide us with your PokerTracker stats?

The ones I care about most are:
VPIP, PFR, Agression Factor, Agg %, 3bet%, Cbet%, FvCbet%, Went to SD, Won$ at SD, W$ when saw flop, Steal %

If there's any other stats you'd want to add that's fine too
 
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Overall your play doesn't look bad. There's things I would do differently. The hand with the KQ9 board while you're holding AT sticks out. I don't mind the check there but when your opponent min bets I would raise him. You're not at the stakes where min bets necessarily mean strength. Bottom or middle pair, or a gut shot might make this bet. AT has enough equity in that pot to check raise that flop. Or lead out.

But, whatever. I think what's going on here is you might be playing too many tables. Playing hands like Q9 on the CO isn't necessarily a bad move, but it's a move that is going to require thought and focus. I don't think I could manage that kind of hand optimally with five other tables in front of me.

In poker, you lose faster than you win. That simple. I'll build up $300 in three hours of playing, but I'll lose $150 in three hands. Loss is part of the game because you want to get as much money in as possible when the odds are in your favor. If you can get all your chips in when your opponent only has flush-draw outs you're doing great! But you're still going to lose a stack equal to your opponent's 1/3 times. You may be trying to give your opponents enough rope to hang themselves but getting bit in the process. Don't give guys favorable or even comparable odds to call you down when you're ahead. Make the call stations make mistakes - don't worry they will.

Case and point - you were in the BB with AT with a UTG limp and a call in front and you raised 3xBB. I'm surprised you didn't have two callers! 5xBB would be a more appropriate raise.
 
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Simple you are bluffing too much and probably playing marginal hands drawing dead. Work on your maths man, it's possible for someone to be folding 66% of the time and still be unexploitable. So your bluffs working "a lot" really doesn't mean anything. They will smash you the other x% as they have been doing.

Whats up. It has kind of been a weird week for myself. I was wondering have any of you out there have been playing some of the best poker of their life, but it seems that the results are not there and you are running bad. I know you would think how the hell you are playing good but you are losing money at the end of the day. I dont know but I can tell you that I am really feeling really good with my game. I have added some more plays check raising, raising with a wider range, c betting in a more optimal fashion. Putting pressure in spots and folding when i need to, but I am finding that i will win a lot of hands and then i will hit that bad hand that pretty much puts me back at even or below. I m really good preflop, really good on the turn and i have just been slammed on the river. I have folded so many good hands that have been killeed on the river. I am just asking for suggestions. Once again I am truly happy with my game and how i am playing, I just wish the results will just come and follow. Thanks for your help.
 
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not to highjack the thread,

but my bankroll has dropped from 237 to 187 in 3 days on 5nl.
is a 10 buy in down swing in 3 days way too much.

Im getting crushed when the chips go in, mainly on the flop vs a flush draw.

Or preflop AA getting cracked by small pp's hitting sets.

Or my personal favourite, a loose player shoving 88 on J109 board when I had pocket 9's and hitting a Q on the river, (I know risky because he could of had a straight) But how he played the hand screamed small- mid pocket pair

Time and time again QQ getting out flopped by KJ after reraising a decent amount.

Hold me brahs :confused:
 
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Try to playing games 1 table with 6 mens, is the best in that cases :D
 
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