Playing Coin Flips in Poker Tournaments

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Coin-flips are practically inevitable in an online No Limit Hold'em tournament, however some players enter coin-flips far too often and wonder why they are not successful in tournament play. Although odds are you will enter numerous coin-flips in each tournament you play, it is important to enter them in the most advantageous situations possible.
These situations may include knocking a shorter stack out, doubling up when you hold only a few big blinds, or late in the tournament to battle for a big stack entering the late stages. Although many people seem to be thrilled when entering a coin-flip situation, most observers get the wrong idea. Most people are thrilled to enter these situations simply because they are not behind to begin with. As each separate coin-flip provides a 50/50 shot at winning the pot, the players are usually not thrilled to be ahead with a small pair vs. over-cards, but rather are thrilled to not be dominated.

Knocking Out Short Stacks

Your best opportunity out of the three scenarios discussed here, is always whenever you hold more chips than your opponent. This will automatically guarantee that you cannot be eliminated in the hand in which the coin-flip is taking place. If you are fortunate enough to be sitting on a fairly large stack entering the mid to late stages of a tournament, you will have various opportunities to enter pots with the short stacks that will continue to play aggressive. These short stacks will be battling the raising blinds, and any stack under around 10 big blinds will most likely only be making one move, all-in. These short stacks will be pushing with very marginal hands, and sometimes you will have to make a decision with marginal hands as well because you will not constantly be holding hands such as JJ, QQ, AK, KK or AA that guarantee a call. Some of the marginal hands you may be considering calling with when you have a short stack covered a few times over may be A10, KQ, KJ, 44,55, or 66. These hands vary greatly and it is important to consider a number of factors before calling a short stack's all-in.
You must first consider the short stack's position, if he or she sits in early position you may wish to fold these semi-strong hands, and stick with pairs above 88, and AQ or AK. If the short stack pushes in very late position you will have no trouble calling his or her all-in with the six hands listed above. If you are sitting in the big blind and the raiser has only 4 to 5 big blinds, you also can consider a call with an even weaker hand such as K10, A9, or 33, simply because you may be getting 2 to 1 on your money that you call with.

Pushing as a Short Stack

As discussed above, many short stacks including you may be pressured by the blinds to push all-in very often as the blinds continually rise. This is another case when you may have to enter a coin-flip situation because you will be called by a larger stack attempting to knock you out. If you hold around 10 big blinds with one of the six hands listed above, your all-in is a strong move because you force the remaining players at the table to have a very large hand, especially when you push in early position.
If you shove all-in and the players do not hold JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK or AQ, you will most likely be entering a coin-flip situation, which is the best position you can hope for. In this case you have the opportunity to double up to nearly an average stack, and enter the later rounds with a strong chance to go far. You may even dominate the player that called, especially if it is a large stack, who may be calling with a very weak hand simply to knock you out.
In this case your hands can become increasingly weaker as you are in later position as well. This forces the hands in front of you to be semi-strong, and if they hold junk, you will take down the blinds and possibly add up to 20% of your stack on top of the 10 big blinds you hold.

Re-Raising Big Stacks

Another opportunity you may have in the late stages of tournaments to make a move may be while you hold a large stack. At this point the blinds will be fairly large, and the larger stacks are going to be pressuring the blinds, and hoping to steal them very often. These raises will often occur in very late position and will be made with any two cards that a large stack will hold.
If you are sitting in a blind or dealer position with a large stack directly behind you, this may be the opportunity to re-raise the big stack's pre-flop raise. It is almost guaranteed that this raise will be made by the player to take the blinds, and therefore a hand such as A9, A10, KQ, KJ, and pair above 44 should induce a re-raise. The big stack will almost always recognized he or she is far behind and surrender the hand immediately, awarding you the blinds and raise for a simple, precise, quick play.


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Pretty helpful info...some of which I kinda knew, but others are gonna be very useful for me in the future. Tnx
 
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Here we understand Annette's wish: to win all her coin flip for life !!!!
 
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Good information.


I would rather have the Extra edge on a Coin Flip
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I like to Push All in on a Coin Flip.
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I don't like to Call an All in on a Coin Flip.
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But like anything else you have to do it to improve.
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Good information.


I like to Push All in on a Coin Flip.
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I don't like to Call an All in on a Coin Flip.
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+1. if i am going all in and i know its probley a coin flip i will only really do it if i am the one pushing because you get some fold equity.
 
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Great post. Txs fore this. It`s always good to read things like this even if I know them.
 
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Good post!
If a player will move all in at the beginning very often then he will probably be a noobie.
Good players try to avoid all ins + try to outplay their opponents!
That´s why they do not get so many bad beats as new players....
 
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+1. if i am going all in and i know its probley a coin flip i will only really do it if i am the one pushing because you get some fold equity.

I like that idea. If it's a coin-flip, you probably have AK or some kind of pocket pair usually (not KK or AA), so does the fold equity basically cancel out the equity of someone having KK or AA?

I wonder about this whenever I have pocket Queens or Jacks, mostly Queens though.
 
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I agree with this and its true JJ or 10 10 is like a 50/50 chance against hands like aQ or aK and the worst part is whenever i have jj or 10 10 it never holds, but when i get aq ak i cant hit a card for my life against a even worse pocket pair. Pretty usefull info though
 
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I think most people who've made it to final table or won MTTs have at least won one (and probably more) coin flips along the way. Coin flips can either make or break your tournament, this is poker after all where even the most skilled players need to hit the cards in order to take it to the next level.

No matter how skilled and patient you are, there's nothing like winning an all-in coin toss to double your stack. There are very few hands, in my experience in MTTs where you're going to take out an opponent post-flop, unless they're really unlucky (ie. they have a lower full house to your higher full house) or they're really stupid and go all-in on a bluff if they're the shortstack (which happens all the time).

Bottom Line: As much as I try to avoid coin flips (and like a lot of you I prefer to initiate the all-in flips as oppose to calling an all-in), especially in the early stages of a MTT, I can tell you that they're an invaluable source of chips that can help catapult you to the final table, considering you have the right odds on your side.

Case in point: I had a guy pissed at me because I moved all-in after he raised 3xBB pre-flop out of position. I had pocket cowboys and liked my chances. Two hands later, he raises 3xBB pre-flop out of position again. This time I'm holding pocket rockets so naturally I go all-in. Everybody folds, but he goes all-in: this time he's holding the cowboys. I ended up winning the pot and doubling my chip stack which was extremely helpful going into the later stages of the tournament.
 
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Coin Flip, who does that any more? I can't count the number of times people have called on a straight draw or flush draw with only the river card left...no matter what the bet is. I was a nice article thougheven if I think I read something were similar before.
 
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coin flips are the worst part in nl holdem imo... however if you wanted to get deep in a tourney you will have to win some flips... the most common situations are hands like ak vs qq, or maybe k9 vs qj suit and some other hands whick are 50/50....
the reason of why i consider flips as the worst part in poker is because no one plays the hand bad at all however one of the plays lose the hands and thats annoying cause poker is a game of skill and also a bit of luck but came on you are just throwing a coin to see who wins!...
 
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coin flips are the worst part in nl holdem imo... however if you wanted to get deep in a tourney you will have to win some flips... the most common situations are hands like ak vs qq, or maybe k9 vs qj suit and some other hands whick are 50/50....
the reason of why i consider flips as the worst part in poker is because no one plays the hand bad at all however one of the plays lose the hands and thats annoying cause poker is a game of skill and also a bit of luck but came on you are just throwing a coin to see who wins!...

That is why I pray and get giddy and get fidgety when someone calls all-in my pocket Aces pre-flop or pocket Kings, etc.

Too many coin flips, and even when they are not coin flips, it is just a more favorable or unfavorable coin flip. I play a lot of 50/50 type coin flips, which probably should be something I should try to eliminate (maybe going all in preflop less would help that, but I'm not that experienced, and one way for inexperienced donks to go against experienced players "safely" is to go all in preflop...)
 
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I've thought of a situation where you should always accept a coin flip. If you are playing above your normal stakes, then a coinflip will help you. However, if you are playing below your normal stakes, then I think a coinflip will hurt you.

However, in a tournament, the large get larger because you have additional ability to bluff, re-raise, or pressure with your stack, which cannot be done as often with a shorter stack. So, a coin-flip may increase odds to get you to the final.

I'm in agreement that a coin-flip helps someone with a larger stack against someone with a shorter stack because the variance is less harsh to the large stack.

I think going with gut instinct may also help in such cases, though you'd have to keep your statistics on that to know.
 
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