Play KK or QQ with overcards on the board

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I mean being the pre-flop aggressor you have to bet, but for example you're holding QQ, opponent calls a 3-bet or a 2-bet and there's a king or an ace on the flop, you c-bet and get raised. Now is this an instant fold? I'm not sure if I can get AQ to fold here and AK is never folding with either card paired.
 
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As usual: It is Villain dependent. Does he call any 2 or 3-Bet? In the majority of possible scenarios I'd be done with the hand if my C-Bet gets raised by Villain after he called a PF 3-Bet. Unless I have very solid reads that tell me something else.
 
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I'm playing Zoom nowadays, so not much reads going on, but even the worst players raise with at least TP I guess...

Now, what if your c-bet gets when holding an overpair? If the player is short then I will 3-bet big and put them all in because these guys are not good players in any way, so I can expect them doing it with TPTK.
 
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If that is zoom (above scenario), Ill fold.
So many times I was beaten badly in that situation.
 
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Using a HUD you'll still track stats in Zoom, unless something has changed.

If pot was 3bet preflop, and villain is raising on A/K high board, chances are he has your QQ crushed.
 
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Don't C-bet in position and let a card come out. This will also ensure pot control since you no longer have a big hand and should be happy to get to SD as cheaply as possible.

OOP it gets more tricky. If you check the opponent might try to steal the hand sensing weakness in you. You can fire a reasonable C-bet that doesn't look weak and if you get called or raised then hand over for us.
 
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Using a HUD you'll still track stats in Zoom, unless something has changed.

If pot was 3bet preflop, and villain is raising on A/K high board, chances are he has your QQ crushed.
I do track hands, but I can hardly say anything about them with 50 hands.
 
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Folding or not QQ

I mean being the pre-flop aggressor you have to bet, but for example you're holding QQ, opponent calls a 3-bet or a 2-bet and there's a king or an ace on the flop, you c-bet and get raised. Now is this an instant fold? I'm not sure if I can get AQ to fold here and AK is never folding with either card paired.

Hi man !

First of all it depends if you are In position or not.

If Villain has position on you just make pre-Flop Raise of 2.1-2.5 x BB and after the Flop Villain Re-Raise Your cBet it i really gets tricky ...


When the Flop gets something like 2 A J (You holding QQ)...I would I would recommend to Raise of 60%-70% of the Pot and then you see if Villain just calls or Re-Raises.

In Your Case that Villain decided to Re-Raise your c-Bet... there just TWO possibilities how to play it (just my experience that might not be correct )

1) To Fold>

If you have knowledge that his Range contains lot of Ax cards

If you do not have any previous (usable ) experience with Villain

The main and most important fact is the type of player you are playing against... If Villain is TAG or TAP I would just Fold so wont loose much more.


2) To 3-bet him instantly

If he is quite loose player who likes to play quite aggressive with lots of small and middle pairs (66-1010)

If you have the previous experience with the player that he likes to Re-Raise c-Bets like 70% of times

If he likes to bluff a lot



* YES he might sometimes hit 2 pairs or set but that does not happen too often


** If he immediately goes AI after your 3-bet >>> FOLD !!! ( no point of risking busting out in MTT / SnG or all money in Cash game)


***By JUST CALLING I do believe you do not get any usable information and therefore I would never just call him as It will end up in burning too many chips until we get to show down



Good Luck @TAbles !
 
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Yup, I would never be calling that hand. Ok, now what if your opponent calls? He could be holding a weaker Ace like AJ or AT. Should I slow down the aggression assuming I'm OOP?
 
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Makes you wish you were all-in before the flop :)
 
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