PKR hand, Pair of 10s

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ok just a curiousity question here
no info on table players

i am holding a pair of 10s from the SB
1 limper so i raise it 3x pre, flop comes A A 9 rainbow

i raise it 3/4 of the pot and he flats (guess this is the problem with being out of position, anyways

Turn card is 5, now we have a flush draw which im not really scared of, i check and he raises, i flat it believing im ahead but not wanting to explode the pot, (my reasoning is i dont want to raise as i doubt a player will call a turn bet without having any part of the flop, but they can definately bluff with worse)
his raise was only half the pot anyway

The river was a jack wasnt sure if i was ahead or behind now, but i want to control the pot and hope for a free showdown,
suddenly he pot size bets, and i got the feeling he hadnt hit, his raise size didnt make sense, it was either he wanted payed off with his ace, or he didnt really have anything, either way he made it so only a hand beating him could call
so after deciding his betting pattern didnt make any sense i made the call, and he showed me a pair of 2s

again, it was a difficult spot which i wasnt comfortable with simply because i was oop, the power of being in position is a scary one xD
anyways, how could i have played this hand differently, or did i play it ok

how would you have played the hand?
 
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ok just a curiousity question here
no info on table players

i am holding a pair of 10s from the SB
1 limper so i raise it 3x pre, flop comes A A 9 rainbow

i raise it 3/4 of the pot and he flats (guess this is the problem with being out of position, anyways

Turn card is 5, now we have a flush draw which im not really scared of, i check and he raises, i flat it believing im ahead but not wanting to explode the pot, (my reasoning is i dont want to raise as i doubt a player will call a turn bet without having any part of the flop, but they can definately bluff with worse)
his raise was only half the pot anyway

The river was a jack wasnt sure if i was ahead or behind now, but i want to control the pot and hope for a free showdown,
suddenly he pot size bets, and i got the feeling he hadnt hit, his raise size didnt make sense, it was either he wanted payed off with his ace, or he didnt really have anything, either way he made it so only a hand beating him could call
so after deciding his betting pattern didnt make any sense i made the call, and he showed me a pair of 2s

again, it was a difficult spot which i wasnt comfortable with simply because i was oop, the power of being in position is a scary one xD
anyways, how could i have played this hand differently, or did i play it ok

how would you have played the hand?

the bold part makes no sense.
not really a rainbow if there are two suited cards on the flop (*edit, do you mean flush draw as in 2 cards to a flush or 3 cards? if the first disregard my comments here)

anyway. you won the hand.
but as you had no info on him id say that was a risky call.
You get manics like that on pkr alot.
hard spot indeed (im not much help lol)
 
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ok you misinterpreted we as in me xD

we have a flush draw, because the flop was a rainbow, and the turn gave a possible runner runner flush
the river bricked so if he was drawing to a flush he had missed it.

the point to this post was it was a tricky spot, but should i have played it more agressively, in my eyes on the river only a hand beating me can call, so i dont want to raise and be reraised, when i can get the same info from check calling, and at least this way i get a showdown to see how he played his hand
 
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Villain plays an ace the same way, likely checks back a jack on the turn if he was floating. The question is if he ever floats/double barrels on a pure bluff, I'd say without a read that's very unlikely and fold for a better spot.
 
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I would have bet pot on the flop, if player calls quick then I am ready to fold when I check turn and opponent bets his ace. Most of the time the hand works out like this, you cbet flop opponent calls with his 2 pair AA's and 22's, you check turn he checks behind, I value bet river half the pot and opponent will probably call.
 
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I think you play the hand fairly well. What I can't believe is your opponent calling you after the pre flop raise, and then the Turn raise with a pair of twos. lol That is what makes no sense. Seems to me the riverbet your opponent made was the only thing that did make sense, it was the only way he could win.
 
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I think it was a brilliant call. It was brilliant because often times a savvy player might have played trip Aces in a similar fashion. That is, up until the river that is. Here is where the question becomes "why so much?". Why would a player flat call the flop and only bet half the pot on the turn with trip Aces? To keep you in the pot, of course. Then why bet so much on the river? After playing the hand so as to keep you in the pot the whole way, why make a bet that you can't call on the river? Why try to chase you away now? It doesn't make sense

What makes sense is that he probably suspected you of making a continuation bet/bluff on the flop. When you checked to him on the turn, he wasn't sure if you were trapping him or slowing down because you had missed. He probably sized his bet on the turn in the hopes that, if you had an Ace, you wouldn't be satisfied with the size of his bet and would hyave raised him. He probably thought you would have value bet the river if you had the Ace. Since you didn't bet it, he must have assumed that you didn't have one, and fired out to represent that he did. That is why I frequently check the river when I'm sure I have the best hand, to give my opponent a chance to bluff at it. You would be amazed at the number of all-in bluffs I get with that move (thanks Eric Lindgren). But that's off the subject.

I actually played a hand very similar to this not too long ago. Afterwards, my opponent asked if I would have called him if he moved all-in. I told him the truth, "Yes. I probably would have. But I would probably fold to a reasonable sized bet".
 
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I will always go for the C bet just to see if they will play back at me. Then if they do I might even try the hero call just to pay to see where I am with this person if i have never played him before. Just depends on the situation and how much bankroll I have to play with.
 
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