PF raise sizes when folded to in VERY loose games...

Hiya all, just basically wanted to get some views on this, mostly applying to live... My local live game can get extremely loose, its £100NL..

Iv'e spoke to another player who stated when he opens big pairs he often makes it 7x in this game to discourage calls, but 3-4x with the rest of his opening range.

Now this is the type of game where an UTG open usually gets no respect if its 3x and you'll go to the flop with a lot of callers, so I can see his point sort of, but he's giving away way too much info IMO. I could argue he's losing value from weaker pairs, etc but to be fair he may be losing equity with a smaller raise as in that case more players are to the flop. On the other hand these are extremely LOOSE players.

If I'm opening up 7x with big PP then I'm opening up 7x with my whole range.

Just wanted to get some thoughts on this and how others deal with this situation that seems to frequently come up live (not just in this game, in others I've played as well). It's also the type of loose play seen frequently in early stage tournament play (limp in, call a raise to try and hit the flop, spazz out when you do), which I never increase my PFR size unless adjusting for limpers.

It should be noted I have not as yet increased my PFR in this game (still 3-4x position dependent) except when adding 1bb for each limper (which normally leaves you raising 7-8x after all the limping done when you IP lmfao).

So any thoughts guys?

You are speaking cash? You mention early tournament play in your post, is why I am asking. But I am pretty sure you are.

I am also interested in answers since many live games have early raises and many callers.

And nice of the guy to clue you in to what he is opening...lol. I would keep my raise 3-4x, a bit more after limpers. If you get lots of limpers and you know they call a raise, make em pay to play with your premiums.

Any chance there are players who are paying attention to what you are doing?

fletchdad said:

You are speaking cash? You mention early tournament play in your post, is why I am asking. But I am pretty sure you are.

And nice of the guy to clue you in to what he is opening...lol.

Any chance there are players who are paying attention to what you are doing?

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Yeah cash mate, but you see a lot of this in early stage tournament play in my experience as well (especially deep stack and even ore so live)

The guys my Dad lol we share tips on the regular

Yeah there are some good players but a LOT of gambling.. I've often been tagged as a rock due to the fact I don't play every hand... That's fine by me cause they all try to break big hands anyway and you get odds to call pre and extract value when you flop big with SC or gappers or small PP..

On a side note, the first hand I saw when I sat down Friday was a 3 way pot on a low board, 2 guys got it AI with 93s and 64o with another guy complaining he folded 73o (all had 2 pair) so the board was 9 7 6 4 3 (and I'm pretty sure there was a 3 flush on there).. the game is juicy tbh, just wish I wasn't breaking every BRM rule in the world by playing there

P.S yeah, I normally play 4x bb +1bb every limper also but may increase to 5-6x +1 every limp..

You could also limp and hope someone raises. Then when its your turn again you can re analyse the situation but from my experience loose live players don't give a limp and re raise play that much credit and can actually get pissed off by it which is great.

If no one raises and almost the whole table plays the hand then you just gotta realise that your hand lost a ton of value and post flop play should be approached very cautiously.

hi,I basically am always open bidding raise 3-4bb but in some cases I get a reraise 3-4bb, and here I can't always respond, if you're talking about cash games, the tables of 6-max, I almost prefer not to bluff,because there's always a lot Kolov you can get ,but to play on the map does not always work, so you need to enjoy the moment when you need to go to bluff)

When playing Poker, you have to adapt to your opponents. If the table is too loose, you tighten up a bit and the other way around. If they seem to be playing too loose and calling too often, make it more expensive for them to see the flop and open 6-8BBs depending on your position.

Live games are softer than online because they're full of gamblers who just love the idea of chasing backdoors and gutshots. We use proper BR to protect against bad runs which happen sooner or later. Someone has to backdoor flushes and make gutshots from time to time.