People who limp in on my BB

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These people drive me nuts, especially when I've got for example 8-10os and catch top pair on a flop of rainbow 10, 7, 4 and end up getting sucked into the pot only to find out they had a pair of 7's or something daft.

Should I just raise here when there's a single limper, regardless of what I have, or check/fold all the way to the river? It's probably my biggest leak at the minute, I despise constant limpers. RAISE damn you :mad:
 
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You got outplayed or you made a mistake. Based on a player history you should have made the decisions. Its not proper play in most cases to limp with 77 but some players do. Its hard to play those kind of players. Against begginers and not very good players i like playing just premium hands. Let them bet and they will make a mistake. Dont try to outplaay them because you never know what they could have. Just play nuts or very close to nuts hands and you will get payed believe me.
 
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if sb or bu puts call in my bb I usually push any2, exception tricky players, here I will play on situation, in other words, it looks like let's see the flop and if you goof, I'll take it
 
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Identifying a trap

The key to identifying a trap is to throw out a bet and see if you get a call. If you have top pair and throw out half the pot and someone calls, there's a good chance they are either trying to trap you or are on a draw. There's no shame in losing to trips, especially if it's against two hole cards, but betting recklessly with just top pair is not advisable.
 
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So in the BB position with medium hands (like T8o), you have two options when facing limpers, either check or raise. Imo, if you decide to raise, and get called, it is tough to continue out of position post flop. If you decide to raise, and get re-raised, you pretty much always need to fold.
On the other hand, you can just check, see the flop and play from there. Keep in mind, your hand is disguised, and there is not much opponent can put you on, which you can use to your advantage. That being said, mix in some check-raises on the flop, it should get the job done.If you don't want to risk it, then just take the check-call line. If you do catch a hand, and if you see opponent valuing all streets, then just fold turn or river (there is nothing wrong with that), or perhaps call down if you have a read on your opponent, or want info that could be useful in the future.
 
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I started another thread about this earlier but it must have been deleted. I was probably ranting as the red mist had certainly descended. Forgot I had started this thread anyway.

Long story short; I'm on the BB, and UTG limper called my 3-bet, my 20BB flop bet and my all-in on the turn despite only having a gut-shot straight draw against my pocket 10's and trips on a dry flop.

The river made their straight (7-high) like it was never in doubt. I just don't understand these guys who will not lay down a hand and manage to pull dream cards constantly :confused:


Me: 10, 10
Villain: 3, 7
Flop: 10, 4, 5
Turn: J (all in)
River: 6


I keep reading that this kind of stupid decision will not pay off in the long run, but I'm not seeing any evidence of that. They keep winning :rolleyes:
 
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It's poker you play in different ways, but I believe you're going to raise more.
 
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These people drive me nuts, especially when I've got for example 8-10os and catch top pair on a flop of rainbow 10, 7, 4 and end up getting sucked into the pot only to find out they had a pair of 7's or something daft.

Should I just raise here when there's a single limper, regardless of what I have, or check/fold all the way to the river? It's probably my biggest leak at the minute, I despise constant limpers. RAISE damn you :mad:

Hey, stop despising me. :D
 
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I keep reading that this kind of stupid decision will not pay off in the long run, but I'm not seeing any evidence of that. They keep winning :rolleyes:

Well, it doesn't pay off in the long run. You are just seeing a lot of bad players winning like that, but you don't see one specific player, that always plays so bad and wins. It is statistically near impossible..
 
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Well, it doesn't pay off in the long run. You are just seeing a lot of bad players winning like that, but you don't see one specific player, that always plays so bad and wins. It is statistically near impossible..

Fair point, I just wish it wouldn't happen with so many different players against me specifically.
 
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That's one of the hardest parts of poker for me.
When you play the BB with a hand you would normally fold.
 
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That's one of the hardest parts of poker for me.
When you play the BB with a hand you would normally fold.

It is far and away my biggest leak, marginal hands on the BB that I get to see a flop for free with, but on any other table position would absolutely fold pre-flop without question.
 
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You got outplayed or you made a mistake. Based on a player history you should have made the decisions. Its not proper play in most cases to limp with 77 but some players do. Its hard to play those kind of players. Against begginers and not very good players i like playing just premium hands. Let them bet and they will make a mistake. Dont try to outplaay them because you never know what they could have. Just play nuts or very close to nuts hands and you will get payed believe me.

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This. I find that against these players, just pot control medium strength hands and don't get clever with the nuts. They'll pay you out with shocking reliability.
 
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Fair point, I just wish it wouldn't happen with so many different players against me specifically.
We tend to remember the negative more than we remember the positive. It's called "negativity bias," I believe. So while it might seem like it always happens to you, it happens to all of us, and we remember the bad more than the good. Not just in poker, but it is a term used in psychology in general.
 
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Limpers are great because their preflop range is so large! Which means they have to dump off all the trash in their range somewhere, typically by the end of the turn. And the answer is yeh, raise them. Not T8o, but T8s for sure. I typically raise to around 5-7 BBs (depending on the amount of limpers and my position). This generates a lot of folds pre. Great instant profit. I find that a cbet and double barrel will destroy limpers because they'll rarely hit something worth continuing through calling a preflop raise, bet and barrel.

Now sure, fish limp hit sets with 77 10% of the time. But the amount you make from punishing limpers is going to be higher than what you lose to the fish when they hit
 
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if there is at least one limper, i think it worth it. also you should take a closer look to behaviour other players.
 
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