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Very often I lose a lot with them, how to play against passive players and realize that they will slowplay without making huge bets?
say: I'm AQd on the button. Raise 5bb, all pass, except the passive. The flop comes out 557, I check, it checks. Well, I think he would not have called my preflop raise with 5 or 7, and he even slopped later (just can not), I bet, he calls, Q comes on the turn, I raise, he calls. Flop T, I'm all in (stack short), he calls. We open ourselves. He's with him.
In general, I do not know how to play against liabilities, the feeling that they always have something when they call
 
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With a true loose passive you need to play tight aggressive poker.

Let me explain something. When everyone says play tight aggressive poker this is because most fish are fundamentally loose passive. With these fish you never ever should underbet and never ever should bluff. You bet based on strength and fold to their aggression if you got nothing unless you have a viable draw. These fish will make you lose significant amounts as they only engage with hands themselves but they also will make you win significant amounts as they pay you off if they have so much as second to bottom pair.

You avoid bluffing them and bet big on any significant hand. They will pay you off.
 
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I would push allin in the turn there against someone that passive.
 
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There is an old rule - play the opposite game of your opponent, and you will have to win. That is, if you are playing against a passive opponent, you need to include more aggression.
Passive loose players who like to watch the flop with any hand will allow you to maximize the value with strong hands. If you usually raise 4x from middle position with a strong hand, then you can easily raise more - for example, 6x. you will still get calls from loosely-passive opponents, so why not let them pay you more? Such players tend to check / call to the very end and rarely give up. So do not try to bluff them big if you do not have anything at all.
 
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In poker there is only one way to success and that way is to play always with position and aggressively .... this way you will win most of your hands ... but if you play passively is a fact that you end up losing. ..!
 
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Just move up in stakes. 25NL should be the lowest stake you even think about playing.
You have to be playing with something of value.
2 or 5 dollars... who cares? I'll throw it out the window of my car and never miss it.

Move up stakes....
 
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Against passive players get out the way with any hand that's below their range and don't be commited to the pot
 
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The beach of a passive player is just paying the bets. Even with a trickle during the postflop he will pay and will hardly raise the bet. This is where you should be careful not to raise the bet in the hope that it will fold, because if you are confident it will pay and your bluff will not work. Therefore, the bluff is not very useful against this player. It will pay even with only a High Card.
 
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Just move up in stakes. 25NL should be the lowest stake you even think about playing.
You have to be playing with something of value.
2 or 5 dollars... who cares? I'll throw it out the window of my car and never miss it.

Move up stakes....
DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.

The discipline required to beat 2NL and such are vital as you move up.
 
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DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.

The discipline required to beat 2NL and such are vital as you move up.

Nonsense.

You have to value the amount you are playing with or you won't play your A game.

I don't care about $5 and will bet it on anything.

You should be playing the highest stakes possible as long as you are comfortable in the game. Don't play with scared money but also don't play with money you don't care about either.

Chances are you are playing against people who are at too low of a stake and they don't care...
 
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These types of players are very good to play against them we have to explore the maximum of them at the tables always making notes of course :)
 
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Nonsense.

You have to value the amount you are playing with or you won't play your A game.

I don't care about $5 and will bet it on anything.

You should be playing the highest stakes possible as long as you are comfortable in the game. Don't play with scared money but also don't play with money you don't care about either.

Chances are you are playing against people who are at too low of a stake and they don't care...
How will you cope with bluffs or overbets? Are you going to tell me you can psychologically be of a calm, shark-like mind and not panic at a stake that is higher than 6% of your deposit? Your advice is TERRIBLE, you SHOULD NOT manage bankroll by ever putting yourself in a scenario where you will PANIC AT THE LOSS of money or you won't make the right moves and you will get bullied out of crucial hands and in turn blinded out of the entire cash game until you cry in frustration.
 
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How will you cope with bluffs or overbets? Are you going to tell me you can psychologically be of a calm, shark-like mind and not panic at a stake that is higher than 6% of your deposit? Your advice is TERRIBLE, you SHOULD NOT manage bankroll by ever putting yourself in a scenario where you will PANIC AT THE LOSS of money or you won't make the right moves and you will get bullied out of crucial hands and in turn blinded out of the entire cash game until you cry in frustration.

6% of deposit, or 6% of bankroll?

Define "poker bankroll"

If I have $500 set aside for poker and that's it, then I would be playing 25NL. However if I have $500 on a poker site, plus $5000 in savings, plus a full time job that supplies me with an addition $1000 a month of discretionary spending, then what is my "true" poker-bankroll?

The real point though is that if you are playing against people who don't care about the stakes (like me in a 2NL game) how are you going to play against me? I will play so erratic that you may go on tilt. So to avoid this, to the OP, play higher stakes where you are more likely to encounter people who DO care about their stack....

Peace out.
 
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Always remember if their first raise is low it means they dont have good hand. Raise 3x they will definatley fold (excpet nut noob players) if they dont and raise your bet again fold as soon as. possible.( golden rule dont push all in until you have atleast high pair in that flop.)
 
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The real point though is that if you are playing against people who don't care about the stakes (like me in a 2NL game) how are you going to play against me? I will play so erratic that you may go on tilt. So to avoid this, to the OP, play higher stakes where you are more likely to encounter people who DO care about their stack....

Peace out.

This is totally stupid and very bad advice. Higher the stakes higher the difficulty of the average player pool. And you advice a player who's figuring out of to play against a passive player to move up to such stakes?

4 bad beats with a $200 roll at 25NL & poof! you're done.
You should care about your money no matter it's $25 or $2 or even 2 cents.
You aren't giving bad poker advice but pretty bad money advice in general.

I'd love to see your graphs or challenges backing your comments sir.
 
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saying his response is stupid is a little harsh. I get what he is saying but his answer to the problem is wrong. When we play against players that don't value their money we don't move up in stakes just cause, we just don't bluff them and take them to value town until we can afford to move up in stakes and then adjust accordingly when we get there.
 
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This is totally stupid and very bad advice. Higher the stakes higher the difficulty of the average player pool. And you advice a player who's figuring out of to play against a passive player to move up to such stakes?

4 bad beats with a $200 roll at 25NL & poof! you're done.
You should care about your money no matter it's $25 or $2 or even 2 cents.
You aren't giving bad poker advice but pretty bad money advice in general.

I'd love to see your graphs or challenges backing your comments sir.

saying his response is stupid is a little harsh. I get what he is saying but his answer to the problem is wrong. When we play against players that don't value their money we don't move up in stakes just cause, we just don't bluff them and take them to value town until we can afford to move up in stakes and then adjust accordingly when we get there.

You guys are not fully understanding.
If you are playing 2NL and no one really cares about their money and they are all playing passively, sure you can only value bet and never bluff and get really tight and at the end of the session you are up $10 over 3 hours... To me this is a waste of my time. I would have been better off working at McDonalds for 3 hours....

So instead of doing that, just move up in stakes.

You guys keep saying that if you only have $200 you will be wiped out.. well, maybe maybe not. However if you only have $200 you have no business playing poker and expecting to make any money doing so.

Again, my example said a had $500 on a site, plus $5000 in savings, plus a full time job. In this scenario my poker bankroll is much more than $500 right? It's more like $15,000 or more and I would be sit down at a 500NL table and play the same way I would play at a 25NL table.
 
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6% of deposit, or 6% of bankroll?

Define "poker bankroll"

If I have $500 set aside for poker and that's it, then I would be playing 25NL. However if I have $500 on a poker site, plus $5000 in savings, plus a full time job that supplies me with an addition $1000 a month of discretionary spending, then what is my "true" poker-bankroll?

The real point though is that if you are playing against people who don't care about the stakes (like me in a 2NL game) how are you going to play against me? I will play so erratic that you may go on tilt. So to avoid this, to the OP, play higher stakes where you are more likely to encounter people who DO care about their stack....

Peace out.
I will simply overbet whenever I hit the cards in any way, you will most of the time have a worse hand as you play donk-like and you will get tilted not me.
 
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man, you can not be 100% passive. Being you will not risk will never reach the final table! poker requires you to be crazy sometimes
 
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you should play the way you play whether it is for big money or low money.
 
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After one large bet call on his part, I would chill it down for him/her to bet. Don't think he couldn't have those cards, and don't get pot committed with your preflop premium hand.
 
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There is an old rule - play the opposite game of your opponent, and you will have to win.

I've read such a thing a lot of times, but it has no sense. If you play the opposite game of your opponent then your opponent plays the opposite game of you. So with this rule he should win. But both of you cannot win. Ooops. :p
 
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Passive players are the best players to play against IMO. They usually only bet when they have it. If you are the aggressor they will usually check/call their draws and raise you only when they have super strong hands. It's very easy to fold when they show aggression. Just bet, bet, bet and fold to any aggression.
 
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I like the really tight passive players because you know they won’t stay in the hand without premium holdings and their cards are face up
 
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I've read such a thing a lot of times, but it has no sense. If you play the opposite game of your opponent then your opponent plays the opposite game of you. So with this rule he should win. But both of you cannot win. Ooops. :p

Wow! That was smart, I have never realised that. The wording is wrong. Nice find.

Maybe something like: Exploitive tactics are most likely found from opposite game style

Also should be noted that those tactics usually require opposite strategy domain to be usable.
 
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