CistaCista
Visionary
Silver Level
As a beginning player, i read about the "4 and 2" rule everywhere I turned, and soon adopted it into my game. As you know, the rule says that when deciding to call, you can more or less multiply your outs by 4 on the flop, by 2 on the river, so see if you have pot odds.
Here is the paradox: when you have the betting hand, it is NOT advised to use the 4-2 rule. General advise is make a pot-sized bet, which often falls well within the 4-2 rule.
An example:
Hero has TPTK after the flop and bets the pot, which means villain would have to chip in 33% of the pot. Villain has a flush draw, and by using the 4-2 rule he sees he has 36% chance of winning. Ergo he calls.
I started this topic in the Learning forum, as I thought someone could easily tell me what to do. Turned out differently.
It seems to me now that the 4-2 rule has little merit and we are closer to a 2-2 rule. In other words, on the receiving end we should call MUCH fewer hands on the flop than what for instance I have done so far.
The reason is mainly that when calling the flop, you will also have to call on the turn - unless you are already allin. And therefore you will end up paying more than the 33% of the final pot. You can call it "reverse" implied odds(?).
What do you think?
Here is the paradox: when you have the betting hand, it is NOT advised to use the 4-2 rule. General advise is make a pot-sized bet, which often falls well within the 4-2 rule.
An example:
Hero has TPTK after the flop and bets the pot, which means villain would have to chip in 33% of the pot. Villain has a flush draw, and by using the 4-2 rule he sees he has 36% chance of winning. Ergo he calls.
I started this topic in the Learning forum, as I thought someone could easily tell me what to do. Turned out differently.
It seems to me now that the 4-2 rule has little merit and we are closer to a 2-2 rule. In other words, on the receiving end we should call MUCH fewer hands on the flop than what for instance I have done so far.
The reason is mainly that when calling the flop, you will also have to call on the turn - unless you are already allin. And therefore you will end up paying more than the 33% of the final pot. You can call it "reverse" implied odds(?).
What do you think?