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Teebone

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hello,


Question: When you call a pre-flop raiser, with a medium pocket pair lets say 7's-10's and the board comes 2-2-6 rainbow. You have position, the button. He raised from early middle position. You called.


He obviously missed the flop if he doesnt already have a made hand. Is it profitible to call his C-bet?



Or does your call depend soley on what he has done prior to this scenario. What im asking is do i call his C-bet thinking he has ak thru a-j.
 
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All depends

Normally i would call unless i know this person plays extremely tight and raised very big. More than likely you will have the advantage, but it truly depends on the scenario. Has he/she played tight all tourney or loose/aggressive? Have they bluffed or made mid raises with garbage hands, also where are you in the tournament, if it's deep and you want to make final table, maybe you will think harder and lay it down. There are many different scenarios. So it truly depends, go with your instict ;)
 
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My instinct is to raise here - assuming cash game and stacks permit and villain has no previous history that scares you (eg table bully). Lets say you have 77, the raise may take the pot there or will hold back his future betting if he calls. You then have control of the pot. If a seven comes on turn you're laughing, if an A and he bets you can get out, if a 4 and he checks a bet will usually win and so on.

The problem I have with the call is that he is likely to bet the turn. What do you do when an 8,9,T,J,Q,K,A falls and he bets?
 
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I'm also assuming this is a cash game.

If I have no read on him, I fold. The only exception is if he's short stacked and there's not much more to come after his bet on the flop, then I'll call.
My reason for folding is that I don't know where I am in the hand, what do I do on the turn when he bets? I'd be making the same uncomfortable call then as I am on the flop. I'm not getting mixed up in this hand.

If I've been playing with him for a while, I might bet or check raise him.



A similar situation you might come across is when he raises pre-flop, clearly indicating a pocket pair or strong ace and the flop hits Axx. I think both situations play about the same way.
 
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As has been stated, it really depends.

If its multi way, I'm more inclined to fold. Heads up, I will most likely raise based on bet size unless villain is very tight and/or is positionally aware. You can call if villain cbets a lot but rarely double barrels. You can also flat people against spewy players but be prepared to make some tough turn/river decisions if you take this route.
 
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I havent read any of the previous posts but in this situation. depending on the player your aggaisnt you have a few options...

I would say in most situations a middle pair like that, you would raise to find out if your hand is good, also for value against an ACEKING type hand. also to make him pay if he wants to outdraw you with overcards. in some tournament scenarios i would advise just the call, but overall i think a raise in that spot will be a profitable play in the long run.. calling perhaps slightly less profitable in the long run...


there are merits for both calling and raising, i wouldnt suggest folding. unless you know the player is supertight, and only bets the flop with the goods
 
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How much is the raise compared to BB and what are the stack sizes...
And what type of player is he...
You did not mention any of these.
These are very important here in deciding your course of action.So cant give you the correct advice with out these information buddy...
 
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You have an overpair to the board which is generally considered to be the best hand unless you are given evidence to the contrary. I like raising because you have a chance to take the pot down right there. If you just call and an overcard comes on the turn and he bets again what do you do? Raising gives you control over the hand. If you raise and an overcard to your 77 comes he will probably check to you unless he paired. If he bets again on the turn you can be pretty confident that you are beat. Raising might also give us the chance to check the hand down and possibly win the pot and/or see what he has.

The key to this situation is not to be passive. If you're passive you will often play your hands call, call, fold and all you're doing is hoping you get the cards you need to win. If you are aggressive and raise you define the hand and you give yourself a chance to win the pot.

In tournies especially if you raise a board like this and someone has AK they will frequently just shove all in. If I had 99+ I would probably call that all in unless my opponent was really tight or something.

Since we are IP I would raise but OOP I would checkraise if he is making a lot of cbets.
 
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