Overpair vs flush draw

General question, say you have JJ+ in CO and raise 3x get called from one of the blinds. (10NL)

Flop comes 952 with two diamonds.
Hero cbets, villain calls.

Brick falls on turn.
2nd barrell, villain calls.

Third diamond falls on river.

1) What is the consensus view here, do we fire a third barrell for value? For simplicity, say villain is an unknown and we have 100bb effective stacks.

2) What if he donks river for full pot in above scenario? Do we call? Raise? Fold?

3) And if we switch positions, we are in blinds and 3bet villain's BTN open, he calls. Do we fire three streets for value on the above board oop? What if we are raised on river?

4) I find that if we slow down on river (oop), he will ALWAYS fire a decent bet if potential flush hits, which is very hard to call, almost regardless of villain. We basically only hold a bluffcatcher. Any comments on this?

I try to put the villain on a range from the start and then trust myself (and yes sometimes I miss the range).

If he is complete unknown (lets say it is his 1st hand since he is in BB) I usually assume by default he calls with pocket pairs or Axs/suited Broadways, these being often shown from blinds.

If he just calls 2 barrels, I tentatively evaluate him as a loose passive (many TAGs raise their flush draws and generally don't call 2 barrels from an unknown OOP). If he is a nit then he has a set and you are dead.

1) Since you are in position and he checked to you, I check back so I don't get blown off my hand and I want to see what did he call with.
- No way he folds a flush and if he called with a set likewise so why am I betting? Take the showdown, make a note on him, life goes on.

2) Fold. I am not happy about it but such is life. Put a note on it and observe his play, if he likes bluffing long term you will get him back. I have one of these on my tables, he is hilarious I play my draws aggressively so when flush comes he is guaranteed to shove into me for easy money. Seems he is getting paranoid these days though

3) This one is difficult... I think check call (depending on his bet size) is best, often I can catch random crap that took a shot at the pot. If he shoves for a lot of $$$ I usually fold without any reads.

4) This is actually good. If he always fires, we catch quite a few bluffs at least in 5NL, not to mention that we get his stack every time when we have the flush

i honestly play the board more than the player for online poker but with that board and no mention of over card on turn or river id say he might of hit the flush in this situation. when someone barrels me every turn and i have a decent draw i call just because if he has op or thinks he is that strong you can win money off him. but like you said if he called with a draw and hit its very hard to bet again on the river or call a big bet by him bc he honestly didnt make it to the river without some kind of draw.

I would say in my opinion

1) Check behind as he's only calling with better hands.... In the past I'd always value bet here and got called or raised that often by better hands in the end I figured its better to miss a small amount of value then lose a decent amount of showdown value. Plus by checking back you take away the option to bluff from tricky players.

2) Fold in a shot, players rarely donk the flop when the obvious draw card comes unless they have it. I don't like it but with no reads on opponent you've got a bluff catcher at best. LD1977 is right, observe his play more and you'll be able to counter this in the future or avoid paying off obvious draws.

3) If we are in the blinds I think we should block bet the river as a check here will induce a bluff from a player a high degree of the time when IP. If you check call both a value bet and a pot sized bet are going to cost you more than a blocker where he may just call with anything up to a small-mid flush (especially if he perceives you as a player who would bet his draws). If he raises you know where you stand most of the time so can fold.

4)Same as above, checking just shows you hate the flush card and then he can take the initiative which in the long run costs you if you call and loses value when your in front and he checks behind.

drdunks said:

I would say in my opinion

1) Check behind as he's only calling with better hands.... In the past I'd always value bet here and got called or raised that often by better hands in the end I figured its better to miss a small amount of value then lose a decent amount of showdown value. Plus by checking back you take away the option to bluff from tricky players.

2) Fold in a shot, players rarely donk the flop when the obvious draw card comes unless they have it. I don't like it but with no reads on opponent you've got a bluff catcher at best. LD1977 is right, observe his play more and you'll be able to counter this in the future or avoid paying off obvious draws.

3) If we are in the blinds I think we should block bet the river as a check here will induce a bluff from a player a high degree of the time when IP. If you check call both a value bet and a pot sized bet are going to cost you more than a blocker where he may just call with anything up to a small-mid flush (especially if he perceives you as a player who would bet his draws). If he raises you know where you stand most of the time so can fold.

4)Same as above, checking just shows you hate the flush card and then he can take the initiative which in the long run costs you if you call and loses value when your in front and he checks behind.

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Thanks, so all in all basically keep betting (but bet smaller), until he shows aggression. It does make sense that if I check the flush card it screams I am afraid, unless I also do it when I complete a nutty flush, hoping he will bluff or value bet a weaker flush.