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I've been reading these forums for a while now, but haven't ever posted, so if I do something wrong, let me know. My question is in regards to overbets, or recognizing them to be more specific.

For example, at $0.02/$0.05 NLHE, I am UTG+1 with QQ. Raise $0.15. Folds to BB, who calls. Flop comes 7c 8d 3d. BB checks, I bet $0.15 (pot is $0.32). BB calls. Turn is 3h. Checks to me, I bet $0.40 to make the pot $1.02. BB calls again.

At this point the pot is $1.42 and I had him put on a flush draw. I don't have much of a read on him. River is 10h and he bets $4.95, leaving himself with $0.35. To me, it looks like his draw busted and he was just trying to take it by just pushing me off of it. Any input would be great. Also advice on my bet sizing would be welcome.
 
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Okay I believe your bet sizing needs to be larger, in that .32 pot and that board i'd bet about 25 cents to 30. Then on the turn i'd bet about 50 cents instead of 40.

Finally on the river it seems he may have missed his flush draw, but it also could be him using some reverse psychology. He overbets so you think oh he's trying to take this pot away, but in reality he has a hand like J9 and was donkey calling, or 9 6 (which makes sense), maybe even a hand like 10 10 where he got lucky, or A3 suited.

I think alot of hands beat you here and he's using some reverse psychology, or of course he could've missed his draw, I say fold though.

What was the outcome of this hand?
 
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in this scenario as phil ivey 27 said you need to be betting a bit more, although in this scenario i have him on a busted ace high flush draw and he seems to be trying to push you off with a massive overbet, i'd advise calling in this scenario but if you were betting about 67-80% of the pot then you probably would've taken this pot down earlier
 
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I SAY HE HAD A10 k10 j10 or something and you had him drilled hopefully you called him what was the results
 
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since the level is low, i'd say he busted his flush but he could have easily hit his flush then not realized that it'd be smarter to value bet. it actually really could have been anything, you never know unless you have a good read on the guy. what was the outcome?
 
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Well, I tanked for a while and then reraised his last $0.35. He calls and turns over the pocket 10's. That crossed my mind for a second but thought he would have raised me before, having, as far as he knows, top pair. So he doubled up through me.
 
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acook21 said:
I've been reading these forums for a while now, but haven't ever posted, so if I do something wrong, let me know. My question is in regards to overbets, or recognizing them to be more specific.

For example, at $0.02/$0.05 NLHE, I am UTG+1 with QQ. Raise $0.15. Folds to BB, who calls. Flop comes 7c 8d 3d. BB checks, I bet $0.15 (pot is $0.32). BB calls. Turn is 3h. Checks to me, I bet $0.40 to make the pot $1.02. BB calls again.

At this point the pot is $1.42 and I had him put on a flush draw. I don't have much of a read on him. River is 10h and he bets $4.95, leaving himself with $0.35. To me, it looks like his draw busted and he was just trying to take it by just pushing me off of it. Any input would be great. Also advice on my bet sizing would be welcome.
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In a situation like this, (most of the time) the player has missed their draw. What it really comes down to is being able to read your opponent & figuring out what they would overbet the river w/.

He was in the BB & he only flat called your raise so he honestly could have anything there. Even though you have 2 pr here (Qs & 3s), 11 hands still beat you & he could very likely slowed played you & is over-betting it to make it look like a busted draw.
 
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acook21 said:
Well, I tanked for a while and then reraised his last $0.35. He calls and turns over the pocket 10's. That crossed my mind for a second but thought he would have raised me before, having, as far as he knows, top pair. So he doubled up through me.
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Let me explain my reasoning behind me thinking he had pocket tens.

People automatically assume due to the fact that this is low limits that players are such donkeys that they would bluff off their 100 bb stack on a missed flush draw.

Most of the time, the guy has it.

The reason for this is think of what he's thinking in his position, if he has a missed draw maybe he would bluff pot or even a slight overbet, but would he really risk his stack?

His point is to make you think he missed his draw or is a donkey bluffing, and due to this you call his massive overbet. Whenever a player overbets that large I laugh too myself and think of how bad a bet this is; because he just lost his value out of me. Most of the time, unless I know the villain, he'll be flipping over the nuts.

Btw, pretty bad beat here.
 
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Let me explain my reasoning behind me thinking he had pocket tens.

People automatically assume due to the fact that this is low limits that players are such donkeys that they would bluff off their 100 bb stack on a missed flush draw.

Most of the time, the guy has it.

The reason for this is think of what he's thinking in his position, if he has a missed draw maybe he would bluff pot or even a slight overbet, but would he really risk his stack?

His point is to make you think he missed his draw or is a donkey bluffing, and due to this you call his massive overbet. Whenever a player overbets that large I laugh too myself and think of how bad a bet this is; because he just lost his value out of me. Most of the time, unless I know the villain, he'll be flipping over the nuts.

Btw, pretty bad beat here.
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Good advice. At low stakes a lot of people chase draws, or sets, as I'm sure you're aware. You really have to pick up on reads in the predicament you were given to make better judgment. It was a bad beat, and hopefully now that you'll start making larger bets you'll push him off his weaker pair. Although in microstakes even the best laid plans of mice and men may go a rye ;)
 
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Like I said I didn't have much of a read on him. He had been at the table only for a few hands. His stats, based on 95 total hands, most after this one were: VP$P: 29.47, PR: 22.11, AF: 0.63. Also, FWIW his Att To Steal was 92.86. Small sample but, seems he was fairly loose. Thoughts?
 
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acook21 said:
Like I said I didn't have much of a read on him. He had been at the table only for a few hands. His stats, based on 95 total hands, most after this one were: VP$P: 29.47, PR: 22.11, AF: 0.63. Also, FWIW his Att To Steal was 92.86. Small sample but, seems he was fairly loose. Thoughts?
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Don't think you need stats or much of a read on him here,
gotta make the decision based on hand analysis and feel.
 
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