Opening on the button with SC and getting 3-bet

So we sit on the button with 7h6h and its folded to us.
We raise to steal the blinds, but the bb who has bought in for 40bb 3 bets us. We have no read on them, apart from they have folded to our button raise previously.

Are we looking to scrap the hand or call hoping to out flop them.


Im unsure what the right play is. I mean if they have a big pocket pair and we flop the nuts they might find it hard to let go, so we can get paid off. but then again they dont have a big stack.

Thanks.

You don't say how big your raise or the 3bet were but assuming 3x open and 9bb 3bet it's a snap fold, you don't have the implied odds to call because he's short-stacking. Even if ESS is 100bb it's a fold.

Fold. You don't have the odds to call. Actually for 100bb it can be a call depending on his stats.

micromachine said:

You don't say how big your raise or the 3bet were but assuming 3x open and 9bb 3bet it's a snap fold, you don't have the implied odds to call because he's short-stacking. Even if ESS is 100bb it's a fold.

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Ok, snap fold got it. thanks and yea I opened 3x for 15 got raised to 45

LD1977 said:

Fold. You don't have the odds to call. Actually for 100bb it can be a call depending on his stats.

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I may need to invest in a hud to capitalise on this.

Well I wouldn't snap fold I would wait 5 seconds then fold to save face lol

If the size of the 3bet is not very large then i would call here because we have a good hand and most importantly we are in position. Therefore we can also try to make a play post flop depending on the way villain plays. If we completely miss the flop and the villain slows down or plays weak, we can try and take it down post flop. On the other hand if we flop good and the villain cannot get away with his hand then we can win a lot of chips from him. So i call.

With Villain only being 40BB deep we don't hit often enough to make up for it in when we don't and sometimes when we do hit we are behind.. Also it makes it difficult for us if we hit top pair or a pair with a straight draw we end up calling more streets and losing more money.. It is just easier to fold.

If Villain only min raises then yeah we should probably call IP but that ofc depends on the size of our open raise as well

suby_rafael said:

If the size of the 3bet is not very large then i would call here because we have a good hand and most importantly we are in position. Therefore we can also try to make a play post flop depending on the way villain plays. If we completely miss the flop and the villain slows down or plays weak, we can try and take it down post flop. On the other hand if we flop good and the villain cannot get away with his hand then we can win a lot of chips from him. So i call.

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This is a mistake. One of the biggest leaks ever. It is not +EV even with 100BB effective stacks. Pls save yourself money in the future and fold.

76s vs 3 bet - BvB - from 40bb is a snap fold for me, especially if he has shown he can fold as well. Calling here is gonna be a very losing play, and getting fancy vs a SS not a profitable move.

suby_rafael said:

If the size of the 3bet is not very large then i would call here because we have a good hand and most importantly we are in position. Therefore we can also try to make a play post flop depending on the way villain plays. If we completely miss the flop and the villain slows down or plays weak, we can try and take it down post flop. On the other hand if we flop good and the villain cannot get away with his hand then we can win a lot of chips from him. So i call.

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How much fold equity do you have vs someone who just 3B to 9BB and they started with 40BB. I bet this guy would stack off on the flop with as bad as AK. Since you also do not have the implied if you do hit this is a clear fold 100% of the time.

Depends on how big your stack is, but a lot can go wrong if you call. What if the flop contains two hearts or an 8-9 or 8-5? How much are you willing to risk to try to hit the straight or flush? I have gotten sucked into a lot of hands with marginal cards and wound up losing a lot more than I wanted to when I got a flop that begged me to chase a straight or flush.

suby_rafael said:

If the size of the 3bet is not very large then i would call here because we have a good hand and most importantly we are in position. Therefore we can also try to make a play post flop depending on the way villain plays. If we completely miss the flop and the villain slows down or plays weak, we can try and take it down post flop. On the other hand if we flop good and the villain cannot get away with his hand then we can win a lot of chips from him. So i call.

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Perfect example just happened.

Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 71.75 BB (VPIP: 15.17, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 213)
BTN: 33.5 BB (VPIP: 57.81, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 64)
SB: 33 BB (VPIP: 36.11, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 72)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.57, PFR: 4.58, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 263)
UTG: 59 BB (VPIP: 44.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
Hero (MP): 322.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: J:heart:

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 15 BB, BTN calls 10 BB

Flop: (31.5 BB, 2 players) 7:club: 6:club: 7:diamond:
Hero bets 25 BB, BTN calls 18.5 BB and is all-in

Turn: (68.5 BB, 2 players) T:spade:

River: (68.5 BB, 2 players) 2:heart:

They are not 3 betting pre with a SS to fold flop.

Oh villain had J9o, thought it would show.

3bet 7 6 from the button is a very ambitious play i don't think its a standard practice but i like the play.
question here is why are we three betting with 7 6 on the button and the answer would be to steal the pot but once our 3bet isn't respected and someone plays back at us we will fold because regardless of what hes holding he must be holding something better then a 7 and a 6.