Open folding AK?

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I played a hand a few days ago, I cant remember exactly when and its easy enough to explain without the history. Anyway, I have AKs in the BB 10NL full ring. UTG+1 opens for 30c. CO 3bets to 90c. Then the button cold 4bets to $2. I opted to fold as my options are folding or cold 5 betting and doing that with less than KK just doesnt feel right. None of the villains were particularly aggro or fishy so I believe they were playing pretty honest. What do you guys think about this spot?
 
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Also, what if the button just folds. We cold 4bet right? Dont like calling seeing as we're out of position and the hand is too strong to fold vs 3bet imo
 
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AK will get players into trouble if their card don't hit on the flop. I got to fold this hand sometimes.
 
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Yeah, some days. But many days I just feel like gambling and on those days slick ain't a hand I'll fold. I know what I'm gonna do at 1st sight of my pockets when I'm in a gambling mood no matter how the betting goes. Okay, I'll agree with those who call me a fool but A-K ain't exactly 7-2.
 
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I think fold is not a mistake, in this situation, into multi - pot better to go with top pair like AA KK or QQ, because some of your opp.s have blokers to your A or K , and the % of win is not so good as 1/1 AK equity
 
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based on the previous action and no information/history regarding opponents a fold is fairly standard in this spot. your not committed at all and you can get away from the hand. Even if you flop tptk 3 way aces are a legitimate concern and if a Q/J/10 hits then you might even have the WORST of the 3 hands, because big sets are always possible.
 
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I think you did the right thing.AK is just a large drawing hand. It's for raising, RE raising or folding. Generally speaking
 
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I can think of calling and seeing the flop, if you miss it we have easy fold... if we hit something strong it is good pot we can win :)
 
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I think the fold is definitely the right move especially since you don't feel like the players involved are super fishy or aggro. Pretty standard fold imo, sounds like a terrible spot for AKs.
 
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Nothing wrong with folding AK, especially when you're not committed at all. You're gonna be in a bad spot if you miss and you're out of position.
 
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unless there's some really ridiculous dynamics going on, this is an easy fold. Like, no one 4 bet bluffs cold simply because it would requirea willing light 3-bettor on the button or earlier AND someone who is sitting between you and said light 3bettor who even considers someone to their right might be 3betting light to make your AK good for a 5bet cold shove here
 
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Also, may I add then you have to hope neither the initial raiser (who, if competent, should have a nutty range near UTG), the 3bettor AND the cold 4bettor are all raising without the nuts.

But then agains, there's the argument you can also fold out KK if they are really nitty, but I will not count on that at 10nl. People simply don't fold.
 
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AK out of position with a 4-bet - run as fastly as you can. Depending on what style are the other players i would fold even KK. In the described situation only AA is fortunate to play.
Recently I had the same situation: I from UTG - AA, the 3-bet guy - KK, the 4-bet guy - QQ. I moved all-in and was called from both - there was a Q on the river.
 
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You are in the BB. You have no ideea what the first 2 players will do.
If you see the flop you are playing OOP all the way. Preflop against anyone in a 4-bet hand you are flipping at best.
So i do not see any reason to get involved in this hand.
 
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vs a cold 4bet, you can fold

vs a 3bet, I would sometimes 3bet and sometimes 4bet/gii. pretty much just depends on positions and some stats - the usual stuff
 
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Almost thot by the thread title, u folded AK utg or in an unopened pot, i was like AHEM nit, thats pretty loose, try folding KK til ur a master JK. But yes for sure easy fold. But dang i was actually gonna slap someone especially in a cash game lol cuz ive open folded aces at bubbles.
 
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From the scenario, your losing pre-flop, so fold is very reasonable. I believe the button is way ahead, You might even be drawing dead, since your opponents might be holding the 3 aces or 3 kings left. You want that your ahead preflop.
 
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I can't fold with AK.But I know,because of the bad position,I lost much in that case?I also have adoubt that how can we do.
 
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I can't fold with AK.But I know,because of the bad position,I lost much in that case?I also have adoubt that how can we do.

it's not the position, it's the action, position means squat in 4bet pots
 
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in cash I never fold AK :D because the player can reraise with small pair :)

If you're talking about 2nl yes...maybe.....maybe

But if you encounter a table where everyone sized their preflop bets correctly, no one is gonna do that cept the whale
 
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you can shove, or what i think is better that is just fold, you are probably against TT, JJ, QQ, AK, so just fold, and wait for better spot, leave the 30 and be happy
 
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I understand when few players get allin on pre flop with some pairs and someone get third card its not sick, but when u limp some donk who got nothing at flop raise all in and get 2 cards to make him monster that is sick.
 
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Just to clarify, this isn't open folding AK since there was action before you. AK shouldn't be open folded. Given the action however, this is a pretty standard fold.
 
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Simple AK all in... Chances of your opponents having AA or KK considerably drop with holding AK

And if everyone calls we can still make a straight, and i prefer AKs cuz u got a chance with flush as well. But I'd still push all-in pre and gamble! but feel better with AKs


AA won't be often enough to be scared. but if it does oh well, straight or flush *prayer Lol* KK wouldn't be the end of the world, most times it'll be QQ and who knows with the other guy sometimes. More the merrier with AK though
 
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