Online Equivalent of Live 1/2 NL

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What do you guys think is the online equivalent of live 1/2 NL Hold'Em? Not having too much success, and I know tilt/impatience is part of my problem, but I'm also thinking maybe I'm playing too high up. I can't stand playing .10/.25 cuz it's way too slow/no action, but maybe that's what I need to do.
 
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Probably about .5/.10 to be honest from what I can see, maybe up to $25NL but more like $10NL imho.

Could always try multi-tabling for less boredom. I even find 2 tables makes a big difference, haven't got to 4 yet but that would be an immense difference, for me at least.
 
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I can't even equate the two. 1/2 live players every time I play live have been some of the worst players ever. I wish I lived closer to a live place to play but the closest is 3 hours away. I don't see any reason to play anything lower than 25NL since the money is so little it doesn't really matter to me.
 
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I can't even equate the two. 1/2 live players every time I play live have been some of the worst players ever. I wish I lived closer to a live place to play but the closest is 3 hours away. I don't see any reason to play anything lower than 25NL since the money is so little it doesn't really matter to me.
I think this is a little ignorant. there are players who make pretty decent money playing 10NL plus all the eople who work their way up the stakes have to go through 10NL at some. I think this way of thinking can stunt your growth as a player.
 
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I think that live $1/$2 plays like $0.02/$0.05~$0.05/$0.10.


Live players generally are pretty bad. There are exceptions of course, but mostly bad players. They like to gamble. They have no understanding of position. They are thinking at very basic levels. Variance is high though. Fold equity is pretty low, so bluffing is tough.
 
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lol now this gets me to thinking... what are the vegas cash tables like on spring break or wsop going on LOL
 
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This discussion always bugged me. The problem with all of this is that while online you can play .01/.02 all the way up to 20-40 and beyond.

While live, casinos offer $1-$2 as the lowest stakes.

So people that claim "live players suck" etc.., its pretty hard to group the two together.

If I am a terrible player and want to play online, ill play .01/.02, but now I travel to the casino and want to play NL and I am stuck playing $1-$2.

So because of this, the range of players from .01/.02 all the way to .25/.50 would probably fall in the $1-$2 live range.

And example, I play anywheres from .25/.50 online to $10-20$ (Yes I am crazy and like to just jump up stakes for the hell of it) But I never have played $5-10 live, just 2-5 and 1-2.


Sorry if some of this is out of order, or doesn't make complete sense. I am at work and my brain is scrambled from looking at a PC all day!
 
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I think that live $1/$2 plays like $0.02/$0.05~$0.05/$0.10.


Live players generally are pretty bad. There are exceptions of course, but mostly bad players. They like to gamble. They have no understanding of position. They are thinking at very basic levels. Variance is high though. Fold equity is pretty low, so bluffing is tough.

this ^^^
 
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I dont care of position - I take notes during game at table... when ppl raise how much.. I am looking for pattern once I get it .. I am able to outsmart those ppl and get top over them... I go all in sometimes with things that can give me 3 of a kind or better ... I dont go all in with 88 (pocket pair) because it is not my happy hand... But sometimes you can loose even when you hold AA... The page should name ****er-stars or funny-stars ... not pokerstars - the system of generating cards is totaly random...
 
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I dont care of position - I take notes during game at table... when ppl raise how much.. I am looking for pattern once I get it .. I am able to outsmart those ppl and get top over them... I go all in sometimes with things that can give me 3 of a kind or better ... I dont go all in with 88 (pocket pair) because it is not my happy hand... But sometimes you can loose even when you hold AA... The page should name ****er-stars or funny-stars ... not pokerstars - the system of generating cards is totaly random...
Ok, so besides the point that this has nothing to do with this thread (unless I missed something) you make no sense here even out of context of the thread. Then at the end you trail off towards rigged and then state the actual fact "the system of generating cards is totaly random" that is the point of an RNG.

First I was going to ignore this, then thought maybe it should be in the rigged thread or maybe just deleted because its completely out of context with the thread (how would it ever relate to a discussion on 1/2 live vs an equal stake online) but then with the last statement as I mentioned above I just had to comment with a :confused: because sounds like your going to say its rigged and then state an obvious fact that again doesn't seem to fit in with your other statements.

I people me by confused talk when no not :D
 
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Well at a local casino your mainly going to get bad players and recreational players.
Any serious winning players are going to spend most nights home grinding online.

I often ask the casino players or sit n go players why they dont play online and their answer is online is rigged or they haven't had much luck.

the genuine good players you'l see show up once in a while and you can tell they are telling the truth by the way they talk about the game and how they play
 
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I think that live $1/$2 plays like $0.02/$0.05~$0.05/$0.10.


Live players generally are pretty bad. There are exceptions of course, but mostly bad players. They like to gamble. They have no understanding of position. They are thinking at very basic levels. Variance is high though. Fold equity is pretty low, so bluffing is tough.


This exactly ^^

It's tough to bluff and pots are multiple way, you cant always rely on hands, but I suppose it could be profitable simply playing that simple
 
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Live needs way more patience.

you know how people say at 2nl play abc and wait patiently for prime spots then stack fishes off? And it can take forever if you're running dead on cards and flops.

I guess live 200nl would be more than ten times that long.
 
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From the other way round, if you play 200NL live, do not jump into a 200NL game online and expect to be up against a similar level of competition :)

Quite how far you have to go down before you reach a similar level of general competance... well I don't know, but I have heard the lowest live games are pretty soft.
 
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I think this is a little ignorant. there are players who make pretty decent money playing 10NL plus all the eople who work their way up the stakes have to go through 10NL at some. I think this way of thinking can stunt your growth as a player.

Maybe you misinterpreted what I said. I didn't say others should not play less than 25NL, I said I don't play any less than 25NL since the money is too low for me.
 
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$1/2 live is most comparable to $0.05/0.10 online and below. However most players find it very hard to believe this and frankly hard to go from playing $20+ pots to <$20 pots. A lot of live players just jump right into $0.25/0.50 or higher right away thinking if they can beat $1/2 live surely they can beat these smaller stakes games online. Which is not the case and often the reason they lose all their money.
 
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These threads always blow my mind. I'm turning 21 in a few months, and crush my friends in tournaments. I'm not saying thta to brag, I'm explaining why I have a bit of a big head. I know I'm not the best player, but I obviously have the bare fundamentals; my friends aren't great, but they're good. I don't play online just on preference, and am excited to sit down at a table, but am nervous having to be patient since I play in tournaments, I've never played a cash game format. I think I'm in for a rude awakening, and I also think it'll be good for me. Any feedback? Anything I should expect (other than the need to be patient)?
 
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There is a 1-2 PLO game at the local casino that plays much like 5c-10c. Super loose preflop and simply mindless calls on the later streets. The games are on Pokertek tables and often have a $400 pot average. I have seen it as high as 1000. A buddy from Atlanta pulled 13,700 out of a 1-2 game in one night.

Also in most rooms the time of day and week matter greatly. Solid nitty regs can kill your win rate and make games tough. Weekend warriors with a few drinks under their belts are a different story.
 
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Can someone pls explain me that concept when they say like : oh the level at a 25nl is way higher than at a 5nl! If you are good at 5nl, what would be the differences at a higher level like 25nl ? And 200Nl vs 25nl? what makes you see that the level at a table is very high ? At 25nl vs5nl or any other level, you'll still play tight with your good hands IP, 3bet with good hands, and adjust your play based on other players profiles.
 
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Can someone pls explain me that concept when they say like : oh the level at a 25nl is way higher than at a 5nl! If you are good at 5nl, what would be the differences at a higher level like 25nl ? And 200Nl vs 25nl? what makes you see that the level at a table is very high ? At 25nl vs5nl or any other level, you'll still play tight with your good hands IP, 3bet with good hands, and adjust your play based on other players profiles.
Assuming you're talking about differences in online stakes, which is a bit of a derail from the original subject of this thread, but...

There is a definite difference between stakes, but the skill gap narrows as you move up higher and higher. At some point it's less about skill than about BR and comfort level at the stakes being played.

The winning style at 5NL online is very different from the winning style of 25NL. From 25NL to 200NL the difference is not nearly as large, but there still is one. 200NL regs are generally going to be more accomplished than 25NL regs, so adjustment is necessary. There will still be fish with money at most any stakes, but the reg to fish ratio tends to increase quite a bit as you move up.

Playing a simple TAG style at the micros is recommended for lots of reasons. It's lower variance, for one. People don't fold to your plays as much, so fold equity doesn't have the same value. Unsophisticated opponents don't respond as you expect to sophisticated plays. It's just much more of a gamble to play anything but a tight ABC game in order to protect your meager profits.

At higher stakes, regs are more aware of tendencies. If you play too TAG, they will exploit you and severely constrain your profits. You have to loosen up and play a more sophisticated game, especially post-flop, to realize gains. However it takes skill to manage that aggression properly, look for the right spots, adjust to different players, etc.

That is why we say it takes a different level of play or skill to advance in stakes. A major of part of successful poker is adjusting to the game, and success at the higher stakes require significant adjustment on an ongoing basis compared to micros where you can just grind a mostly static style.
 
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Found it. I was asking the same question just today. I've been crushing live $1/$2 and also, dominating home games of $0.25/$0.50. From my experience, I think $1/$2 live games are equivalent to 5NL to 10NL while live home games of $0.25/$0.50 are equivalent to 2NL.

I believe many factors behind this is that for online, lowest stake you have is 2NL but for live, lowest stake they have if they can't find home games, which is the case majority of the time, is $1/$2 at casino. So many inexperienced players who never played online, would end up playing $1/$2 live since that's the lowest stake offered.

Home games of $0.25/$0.50 where I go to, are mostly played by people for fun after they get knocked out of the home game tournament, just to kill time, have fun, while hoping to win their entry back. They are just having fun while playing lot of hands and fooling around, playing very loose since they feel ultra-comfortable about losing money since it's pennies compared to live $1/$2. But that's not the case with online 50NL. Online 50NL is very tough.
 
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Well yep, for me online 50NL is really super tough.

Strangely - or not - I find it quite a bit harder than 100NL on 888.com anyhow, which plays looser as that level has a jackpot option, encouraging gambling. I'm guessing 100NL is not anywhere near as soft on other sites where there is no jackpot?

Obv still maintain 1/2 live is closer to 10NL online, but those jackpot tables are unique in sometimes coming close - depending on table dynamics.

But 50NL, that's a tough game. I can beat 20NL and 30NL, then take a shot at 50NL and well... let's say I don't anymore, especially stupid after a couple drinks, lol. It's can be a serious ass kicking, where many villains are peddling monsters. Talking FR, super tough as it should be.
 
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I think that live $1/$2 plays like $0.02/$0.05~$0.05/$0.10.


Live players generally are pretty bad. There are exceptions of course, but mostly bad players. They like to gamble. They have no understanding of position. They are thinking at very basic levels. Variance is high though. Fold equity is pretty low, so bluffing is tough.

I agree with this, plus you have the recreational players that havent even played 100 hands of poker it seems like. I wouldnt say bluffing is tough when playing live. You get a better feel for how players play and therefore can pick the right spots to bluff in.
 
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