OMG lets try this again, 10nl - 50nl+ challenge.

OMGITSOVER9K · Nov 18, 2012

I see a lot of these threads on CC.. but decided to make my own since it can only help right?

I'm currently on a loan from a mate (poker player) and have $400 playing 10nl FR. The aim is to get to 50nl FR by the end of the year on a 30bi roll which I think is pretty achievable, its just a matter of me actually sitting down and grinding some volume.

Just banned myself from all tournaments, even though I'm +ev at them I believe, I just wanna focus on playing purely cash until I'm back playing on my own roll.

Beating 10nl for 24BB/100 this month over 7k hands which obv isn't maintainable, but it shows that I can crush 10nl and probably 25nl since the gap isn't that big imo. (beating it for 7BB/100 over 70k+ hands total)

I'm semi active on CC/Skype and hopefully a lot of the people I know will sub to this, so I can post HH's/spots here instead of copying and posting it 5x for opinions if needed!

So the rules are:

- 1 HH a day
- 500 hands a day minimum but aiming for around 1-2k
- no tournaments
- learn 6 max ranges etc
- work on theory more
- sub to deucescracked ASAP
- run better than jchoop
- poker > gaming > social life

hopefully this thread won't die like the last one, sub and post as much as you like, all help is appreciated!

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OMGITSOVER9K · Nov 18, 2012

1st HH for you guys, just wondering about preflop? my sizings terrible I know, I meant to make it bigger but misclicks gonna misclick.

UTG+1 is a SF reg, c/f flops a lot OOP.. bets once and gives up, stuff like that, easy to abuse IP.

CO is a super fish, main reason i'm at the table and has been involved in pretty much all the pots.. min 3betting a super wide range including absolute garbage and spazzed on flops/turns, one went to SD and showed 7 high.

Hero has agg/spewy image, 4bet shoved A9s from blinds over limp min 3bet from different fish, fish tank called ATo and 3bet shoved AJs BvB on 762 flop with FD into flopped set.

the 4bet pre's for value and to iso the original fish, as soon as the SF reg flats the min 3bet his range is capped to weaker hands so we can assume he should be folding to the 4bet or c/f flops a lot.

can't find stats because i'm new to PT4 and the HUDs acting up but he was running something like 63/2, UTG+1 running around 15/12.

PokerStars - €0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: €10.00
UTG+2: €10.00
MP: €3.90
Hero (MP+1): €14.64
CO: €19.28
BTN: €9.15
SB: €54.31
BB: €27.62
UTG: €4.74

SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has Q:club: A:diamond:

fold, UTG+1 raises to €0.30, fold, fold, Hero calls €0.30, CO raises to €0.50, BTN calls €0.50, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls €0.20, Hero raises to €1.50, CO calls €1.00, fold, UTG+1 calls €1.00

Flop: (€5.15, 3 players) K:spade: A:heart: 3:diamond:
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (€5.15, 3 players) T:heart:
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets €2.70, CO raises to €5.40, fold, Hero raises to €13.14 and is all-in, CO calls €7.74

River: (€31.43, 2 players) T:spade:

The Messiah · Nov 18, 2012

GL with this.

On the above hand;
Bet 2.90 on the flop, we can get called by a lot worse and we need to build the pot to stack this fish on later streets.

As played, fold turn. One of the worse cards in the deck hits the turn and tbh its a pretty easy one at that. We beat nothing and were not pot committed.

JCgrind · Nov 18, 2012

OMGITSOVER9K said:
- run better than jchoop
- poker > gaming > social life

hopefully this thread won't die like the last one, sub and post as much as you like, all help is appreciated!

:boxing:

SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!

also, up for screenshare skype rails if u want for like a few hours tomorrow or someother time soon

oh yeah and lol at you putting poker and gaming before your social life. half the reason i play poker is so i can afford to get ridic over-the-top wasted and party all the time hahah

OMGITSOVER9K said:
1st HH for you guys, just wondering about preflop? my sizings terrible I know, I meant to make it bigger but misclicks gonna misclick.

UTG+1 is a SF reg, c/f flops a lot OOP.. bets once and gives up, stuff like that, easy to abuse IP.

CO is a super fish, main reason i'm at the table and has been involved in pretty much all the pots.. min 3betting a super wide range including absolute garbage and spazzed on flops/turns, one went to SD and showed 7 high.

Hero has agg/spewy image, 4bet shoved A9s from blinds over limp min 3bet from different fish, fish tank called ATo and 3bet shoved AJs BvB on 762 flop with FD into flopped set.

the 4bet pre's for value and to iso the original fish, as soon as the SF reg flats the min 3bet his range is capped to weaker hands so we can assume he should be folding to the 4bet or c/f flops a lot.

can't find stats because i'm new to PT4 and the HUDs acting up but he was running something like 63/2, UTG+1 running around 15/12.

PokerStars - €0.10 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: €10.00
UTG+2: €10.00
MP: €3.90
Hero (MP+1): €14.64
CO: €19.28
BTN: €9.15
SB: €54.31
BB: €27.62
UTG: €4.74

SB posts SB €0.05, BB posts BB €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.15) Hero has Q♣ A♦

fold, UTG+1 raises to €0.30, fold, fold, Hero calls €0.30, CO raises to €0.50, BTN calls €0.50, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls €0.20, Hero raises to €1.50, CO calls €1.00, fold, UTG+1 calls €1.00

Flop: (€5.15, 3 players) K♠ A♥ 3♦
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (€5.15, 3 players) T♥
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets €2.70, CO raises to €5.40, fold, Hero raises to €13.14 and is all-in, CO calls €7.74

River: (€31.43, 2 players) T♠

preflop is lol.

as played bet flop for messiahs reasons. then bet/fold turn

i prob check turn for pot control since that T sucks, and flat/thin value bet most rivers- but doing so leaves you needing to make some pretty sick calls on the river a lot of the time

duggs · Nov 18, 2012

already been said but bet flop, bet/fold turn

Ducky7 · Nov 18, 2012

I dont think you can beat 25nl if im honest

Ducky7 · Nov 18, 2012

JCgrind said:
SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!

oh yeah and lol at you putting poker and gaming before your social life. half the reason i play poker is so i can afford to get ridic over-the-top wasted and party all the time hahah

He literally has no friends so dont even know why he added the >social life tbh

OMGITSOVER9K · Nov 18, 2012

right..

JCgrind said:
SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!

also, up for screenshare skype rails if u want for like a few hours tomorrow or someother time soon

oh yeah and lol at you putting poker and gaming before your social life. half the reason i play poker is so i can afford to get ridic over-the-top wasted and party all the time hahah

preflop is lol.

as played bet flop for messiahs reasons. then bet/fold turn

i prob check turn for pot control since that T sucks, and flat/thin value bet most rivers- but doing so leaves you needing to make some pretty sick calls on the river a lot of the time

in if i'm up at those hours, but tables seem best at your ridic hours since all the russian bad regfish are on then

and i'm a nerd, money > bitches, so money > random uni friends too lol

..btw i'm only posting this so later I can see how lolbad I am now

why's preflop lol? I know the sizings terrible but my thinkings alright there isnt it? fish will come in wide reg will fold pre/play face up post and BTN will fold a lot pre right?

Ducky7 said:
I dont think you can beat 25nl if im honest

you've been BE for 4 months, shut up

Ducky7 said:
He literally has no friends so dont even know why he added the >social life tbh

you've been BE for 4 months, shut up

sigh.. why do you feel the need to troll when you could work on getting good?

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guys (messiah, choop, duggs, anyone, God) how often do you think fish comes along on an AKx flop in a 4bet pot multiway? he plays all his garbage hands with this min 3bet so I don't see him having anywhere near the top of his range here so it never hits him but smashes me, meaning I'll get a lot of folds when I'm beat.

JCgrind · Nov 18, 2012

ducky overcompensating ITT lol

i guess i just have this 'skins' mental image of UK students where youd use all your poker coin to buy amphetamine after amphetamine and go for 72hour rave sessions etc lmao.

i think preflop is lol bc the way i see it, youre 4bing to ISO CO and dont want UTG+1 coming along. problem is, that once you 4b and CO undoubtedly calls, UTG+1 is always gunna come along to bc of pot odds.

like you say, hes playing pretty face up a lot of the time on the AKx flop i think considering the pre action- which is why im checking the turn for pot control

Ducky7 · Nov 18, 2012

JusSumguy · Nov 18, 2012

Sorry he had AT OMG...

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Makwa · Nov 18, 2012

You want to crush 6 max? Meet me at 888 camtables. Pick the ones with lots of Spanish.

Makwa · Nov 18, 2012

JCgrind said:
SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!

preflop is lol.

as played bet flop for messiahs reasons. then bet/fold turn

i prob check turn for pot control since that T sucks, and flat/thin value bet most rivers- but doing so leaves you needing to make some pretty sick calls on the river a lot of the time

I agree that is a wonky call EP at FR. 6 Max even. The resraise makes no sense at all. Also I do not believe your reads they are in yr head u really need hundreds and thousands of hands to type people online.

OMGITSOVER9K · Nov 19, 2012

JCgrind said:
ducky overcompensating ITT lol

i guess i just have this 'skins' mental image of UK students where youd use all your poker coin to buy amphetamine after amphetamine and go for 72hour rave sessions etc lmao.

i think preflop is lol bc the way i see it, youre 4bing to ISO CO and dont want UTG+1 coming along. problem is, that once you 4b and CO undoubtedly calls, UTG+1 is always gunna come along to bc of pot odds.

like you say, hes playing pretty face up a lot of the time on the AKx flop i think considering the pre action- which is why im checking the turn for pot control

lol, i'm a nerd i'm afraid -.- helps me save money though! costs me £30 a week to live with uni travel

(then rent but thats prepaid)

and sigh, didn't consider that he'd come along because of pot odds, you prefer flatting and seeing a flop 4way then? this is value vs UTG+1 as well because of the way he plays and his range is capped.

considered checking turn just thought with all the pair + gutshot/gutshot/FD's hands hands CO can have here not value betting is would be missing value.

pretty sure we can discount UTG+1 out of the hand on turn since he'd lead his whole value range here.

JusSumguy said:
Sorry he had AT OMG...

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nowhere near, lol.

Makwa said:
I agree that is a wonky call EP at FR. 6 Max even. The resraise makes no sense at all. Also I do not believe your reads they are in yr head u really need hundreds and thousands of hands to type people online.

and the 3rd.. I can flat AA/KK/QQ here easily, UTG+1 isn't aware of that but I can have a made hand here a lot since regs at this limit are folding to 3bets so much flatting strong hands pre from LP will allow him to continue more than if I 3bet and he folds say JJ.

its micro FR, people are only stacking AA/KK pre, and QQ/AK some of the time so its more profitable to 3bet a load of bluffs IP and flat some/majority of my value hands.

so given that, I can have a hand here and as I said his range is capped because if he has QQ+/AK he won't want to see a flop 4 way ever. you don't need hundreds and thousands of hands to read people online, you just need to know what they're thinking.

I think most people on here agree that UTG+1 range is capped am I right?

and justifying the flat from the EP raise.. well yeah he has me dominated some of the time but he's opening 88+ AJ+ and plays SF postflop as I said so I can pot control/float/own him IP anyway so pretty sure its +ev.

spanish tables, what?

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edit: going home for the week today, bringing laptop with me but probably won't get as much volume as I'd like in since i'm supposed to be visiting friends/family..

maybe I can grind at a friends? so yeah, rules still apply, I'll get some hands in somewhere!

OMGITSOVER9K · Nov 19, 2012

also might seem like we haven't got off the first topic, (even though agreed its kinda super spew) I wanted to talk 10nl winrates?

my graph is below, and i'm beating it at 7.1BB/100 total with that massive BE streak (back when I was a bad nit, now i'm just bad)

so yeah, possible maintainable winrates over what samples?

merci.

JCgrind · Nov 19, 2012

OMGITSOVER9K said:
lol, i'm a nerd i'm afraid -.- helps me save money though! costs me £30 a week to live with uni travel (then rent but thats prepaid)

and sigh, didn't consider that he'd come along because of pot odds, you prefer flatting and seeing a flop 4way then? this is value vs UTG+1 as well because of the way he plays and his range is capped.

bro this is micros he 100% comes along unless hes a total nitbox haha. not even sure about that though, some people just hate 4bing. he could quite easily play AK like this- youll have to see what his 4b tendencies are like.

to prevent him getting amongst it too i probably 4b ship it, and **** playing A high in a 4b pot OOP vs a fish whose calling your cbet with any 2

considered checking turn just thought with all the pair + gutshot/gutshot/FD's hands hands CO can have here not value betting is would be missing value.

true, but youre still going to hate it when you undoubtedly check the river and get shoved on and have to call

pretty sure we can discount UTG+1 out of the hand on turn since he'd lead his whole value range here.

nowhere near, lol.

and the 3rd.. I can flat AA/KK/QQ here easily, UTG+1 isn't aware of that but I can have a made hand here a lot since regs at this limit are folding to 3bets so much flatting strong hands pre from LP will allow him to continue more than if I 3bet and he folds say JJ.

its micro FR, people are only stacking AA/KK pre, and QQ/AK some of the time so its more profitable to 3bet a load of bluffs IP and flat some/majority of my value hands.

agree 100% love the logic

so given that, I can have a hand here and as I said his range is capped because if he has QQ+/AK he won't want to see a flop 4 way ever. you don't need hundreds and thousands of hands to read people online, you just need to know what they're thinking.

I think most people on here agree that UTG+1 range is capped am I right?

yah he has JJ at best and maybe AK depending on his 3b style

and justifying the flat from the EP raise.. well yeah he has me dominated some of the time but he's opening 88+ AJ+ and plays SF postflop as I said so I can pot control/float/own him IP anyway so pretty sure its +ev.

spanish tables, what?

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edit: going home for the week today, bringing laptop with me but probably won't get as much volume as I'd like in since i'm supposed to be visiting friends/family..

maybe I can grind at a friends? so yeah, rules still apply, I'll get some hands in somewhere!

OMGITSOVER9K said:
also might seem like we haven't got off the first topic, (even though agreed its kinda super spew) I wanted to talk 10nl winrates?

my graph is below, and i'm beating it at 7.1BB/100 total with that massive BE streak (back when I was a bad nit, now i'm just bad)

so yeah, possible maintainable winrates over what samples?

merci.

if im beating 25NL for 7.5bb/100 over a billion hands, you can beat 10nl for that

OMGITSOVER9K · Nov 20, 2012

you think he plays AK like but you wanna 4bet shove? :/ depends if the fish calls off his stack, if so then obv fine..

btw i'm betting river myself granted its good, villain doesn't have me beat here you lot are giving him wayyyyyyyy too tight a turn calling range imo.

b/f = nuts at micros

b/r/s = nuts when he snaps with no pair no draw

JCgrind · Nov 20, 2012

if hes not willing to 4b AK, i doubt hes willing to stack it

OMGITSOVER9K · Nov 20, 2012

you reckon he folds AK when I shove and the fish calls?

my line does look kinda strong/spazzy to regnits though..

also love how its just me and choop in this thread, I prob need to post more hands but struggling to find nonstandard stuff.

duggs · Nov 20, 2012

post something cool/conceptual then

OMGITSOVER9K · Nov 20, 2012

like what?

duggs · Nov 20, 2012

no idea, record a live sweat we can review

The Messiah · Nov 20, 2012

duggs said:
no idea, record a live sweat we can review

Great idea, im free if you want me to hold your hand!!

duggs · Nov 20, 2012

The Messiah said:
Great idea, im free if you want me to hold your hand!!

bink, sick ill watch it when it goes up

OMGITSOVER9K · Nov 20, 2012

lol yeah i'm in, was gonna do one with choop but I know how that'll go..

Hero opens CO, 3bet by BTN..

choop: call
me: we have 65s
choop: call anyway
me: but we're OOP
choop: -.- call, now.

but yeah what about a multiway sweat? could be awesome but i'm at home atm, so it'd have to be next week when i'm back at uni and can talk as loud as I need through the night.. when its daytime down your side of the pond.

good plan?

OMG lets try this again, 10nl - 50nl+ challenge.

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