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Allmine79
Rock Star
Silver Level
I will be jamming some 1/2 Omaha cash the next 3 days. The flop is everything in that game due to how aggressive the game gets. Plain in simple you want 2 pair plus Nut Flush Draw to continue. I personally like high set with high flush/str8 draws. Tight is the key and when you hit it nail it full throttle and hope it holds or you hit your flush or str8.
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omgdontcall
Enthusiast
Silver Level
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Allmine79
Rock Star
Silver Level
Right on...That's the only way to play that game. It can be crazy good or get out of hand quick. I'm hoping to clean up the next 3 days. Best of luck on the felts!
srqgrinder
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Tighten your range! Raise your double suited aces. Play your wraps! Most of all study your opponent and pick your bluffs on the river! My strategy anyways. People will notice your playing to tight tho and level you. Mix it up. Plo has a lot of variance but the action is amazing. Hope any of this helps
Exactly what omgdontcall said my bad! Great name tho lmao
Exactly what omgdontcall said my bad! Great name tho lmao
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srqgrinder
Enthusiast
Silver Level
AA-QQ dbl suited. Your runs if the price is right. Can widen your range a bit in position. Dont over value your kings and aces post flop!
I personally will always get aces in pre of possible. But it is PLO and all in pre is easily avoided by other players
I personally will always get aces in pre of possible. But it is PLO and all in pre is easily avoided by other players
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Colbefc
Legend
Silver Level
Agression is the key in PLO, you have got to bet your draws to get value, need to get as much money in as quick as possible. If you wait until you have a made hand everyone will know you have a made hand ( most of the time ) and you will get no action.
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Allmine79
Rock Star
Silver Level
Yep it's a pure drawing game. Things can change with every card hitting that board quickly so you should always be drawing to the nuts and have 2 high pair or better to stay in minimum. Colbefc is dead on. Build that pot when the percentages are favorable.
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Allmine79
Rock Star
Silver Level
My one and only advice is double suited with the Ace High Flush working and high starting pair. I love my AKQJ hands also as well since I always find a way to catch the high end str8.
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Marginal
Junior Member
Silver Level
Can you just throw this away. Hand charts make sense in holdem, you have 169 unique combos of start hand. In Omaha there are something like 270,000 different combinations. Top 30 hands is therefore practically useless and if thats what you are playing you will only be playing like 5% of hands.
To get better at the game we need to stop simplifying things, get stuck into the detail, thats the way you will learn.
The generalisations in this thread, hurt my brain.
Poker is simple,dont get caught up in what game you are playing, dont think of cards. Think of situations and what makes sense logically, then it doesnt matter what game you are playing. Its all relative.
dimon4ik89
Visionary
Platinum Level
Omaha is a game of nuts
Omaha is a game of nuts. In Omaha, pair wins very rarely. Seth very often loses to the senior set. If you do not have a nut straight or flush, then most likely someone else is sitting with him, and you, most likely, have already lost. In Omaha, with every street, the nuts change, and therefore you need to carefully monitor all possible combinations with this flop. In general, Omaha is a very interesting game but as for me it is much harder to win in it than in Hold'em
Omaha is a game of nuts. In Omaha, pair wins very rarely. Seth very often loses to the senior set. If you do not have a nut straight or flush, then most likely someone else is sitting with him, and you, most likely, have already lost. In Omaha, with every street, the nuts change, and therefore you need to carefully monitor all possible combinations with this flop. In general, Omaha is a very interesting game but as for me it is much harder to win in it than in Hold'em
vov4ik
Legend
Silver Level
Omaha is an interesting game but there are a lot of fiddles on the hand, I agree with many that it is better to play the flop and decide what to do next to play aggressively or fold, it's better to make sure that you have a card and then play!
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sgtm7
Rising Star
Bronze Level
If you only have the second best possible hand according to the board, then there is a very good chance that you will get beat by the best possible hand. Play for the nuts. Second nuts can get you in trouble.
The nut straight on the flop isn't really that great if there is a higher straight draw possible, and you don't have a redraw for it. Or if you have the nut straight on the flop, and there is a flush draw possible of which you don't have the draw for.
Summary: Play for the NUTS!!!
Naked Aces aren't worth a damn. By naked, I mean pocket aces, not suited, with two cards that aren't connected to each other or the aces. With naked aces, you are generally going to need to hit an ace, and you still might lose even if you hit an ace. You have to get to heads up with that hand before you are even favored to win. With 3 players, you would only be at 45% to win. Even with the best Omaha hand of AAKK double suited, you are only favored at 54% with 3 players, but at 71% with 2 players. On a table with lose players and/or smaller stakes, you probably aren't going to be able to isolate to heads up in PLO. Every time I play, during the night I will see quite a few pots, repot, repots, that end up 3+ players going all in preflop. Many go in with what I would basically call "trash" hands. Unlike holdem, the best preflop hands lose more often.
Summary: Don't overvalue Aces.
A strong hand in holdem is probably not as strong a hand in PLO. The chances of hitting two pair on the flop in holdem is 2%. The chances of hitting two pair in PLO is 10%. If you hit two pair on the flop, you really want it to be the top two, and not the bottom two. Also, two pair with a straight and/or flush draw on the board, makes your hand even weaker unless you actually pair the board and/or a straight card doesn't come. If there is already a possible straight on the flop, then your hand is even weaker and you are probably going to need to catch up by hitting one of your 4 outers.
If you hit a set, it is a strong hand, but still not as strong as a set in holdem. If it is a bottom set, then it is in danger of getting beat by a higher set. Unless there were some big preflop bets, it is probably going to be hard to get flush draws, straight draws, or top two pair out of the hand. And if top two hits, you are going to hit your full house and still lose. Full house beat by higher full house happens way more often in PLO than in holdem. Also, if you hit your set on a board where a flush or straight is already possible, you are probably going to have to catch up and pair the board. On the plus side though, a non nut flush or straight with no pairs or redraws is likely to fold if you pot with your set on the flop.
Summary: Don't overvalue your hand post flop. The nuts can change with every street.
You want your preflop hand to have range. Pocket pair, double suited, with connectors, is my idea hand. With that hand you could hit a set, with a straight or straight draw, and a flush or flush draw. You can even hit a double flush draw on the turn. Some people are partial to double suited run down hands. That can give you wraps or straights with redraws for the higher straight as well as flush draws. Now getting these types of hands exactly are rare, and if you played those hands exclusively, then it would be as boring as playing holdem. However, the closer you can get to that range of hands, the better. The greater your range, the less chance of your made hand on the flop getting beat by a better hand on the turn or river.
Summary: Play hands with range to give you multiple draws or hits on the flop.
This probably over complicates things, but I just have to mention it. The rule of 4/2 to determine your odds of hitting on the turn and river is a great tool. I go by it all the time. However, because everyone gets 4 cards in Omaha, if you are playing a full table of 8 or 9 people, then you need to keep in mind that 70 to 75% of the deck is dealt out by the flop. So you hit a flop with a full wrap and a flush draw and think "GREAT I have over 20 outs." You need to take a reality check. With a table of 8 players there are only 17 cards left after the flop. With a table of 9 players, there are only 13 cards left in the deck after the flop!! So there is a higher chance that your "outs" were already dealt to someone else than there is at a holdem table with the same number of players.
Summary: You don't really have as many outs as you think you do.
Also, if you have a pocket pair that is needed to make a straight, don't assume that because you have the "blockers", that there is little chance someone doesn't have that card to make that straight. The majority of the cards have been dealt preflop, so there is a good chance someone in fact DOES have those cards. Heck, I had a hand of TTT7, which is a bad hand you should actually fold, but there were no preflop raises and it takes a T or 5 to make a straight, so if I hit a straight I have "blockers" and will probably be the only one with the straight. I hit a 986 rainbow flop. Nut straight, and I am thinking it is unlikely anyone has the higher straight draw because I have the "blockers". I bet, one guy calls. Turn comes and it is a blank. No pair, still a rainbow. I pot again. Guy calls. River comes and it is a seven. I pot. He repots. I am thinking "No ****ing way!" I call. He has a JT and the nut straight.
Summary: With the majority of the deck being dealt preflop, there is a greater chance that that "blocker" is actually in one of your opponents hand.
I can think of a lot more things to input, but I don't want to write a book here. LOL.
The nut straight on the flop isn't really that great if there is a higher straight draw possible, and you don't have a redraw for it. Or if you have the nut straight on the flop, and there is a flush draw possible of which you don't have the draw for.
Summary: Play for the NUTS!!!
Naked Aces aren't worth a damn. By naked, I mean pocket aces, not suited, with two cards that aren't connected to each other or the aces. With naked aces, you are generally going to need to hit an ace, and you still might lose even if you hit an ace. You have to get to heads up with that hand before you are even favored to win. With 3 players, you would only be at 45% to win. Even with the best Omaha hand of AAKK double suited, you are only favored at 54% with 3 players, but at 71% with 2 players. On a table with lose players and/or smaller stakes, you probably aren't going to be able to isolate to heads up in PLO. Every time I play, during the night I will see quite a few pots, repot, repots, that end up 3+ players going all in preflop. Many go in with what I would basically call "trash" hands. Unlike holdem, the best preflop hands lose more often.
Summary: Don't overvalue Aces.
A strong hand in holdem is probably not as strong a hand in PLO. The chances of hitting two pair on the flop in holdem is 2%. The chances of hitting two pair in PLO is 10%. If you hit two pair on the flop, you really want it to be the top two, and not the bottom two. Also, two pair with a straight and/or flush draw on the board, makes your hand even weaker unless you actually pair the board and/or a straight card doesn't come. If there is already a possible straight on the flop, then your hand is even weaker and you are probably going to need to catch up by hitting one of your 4 outers.
If you hit a set, it is a strong hand, but still not as strong as a set in holdem. If it is a bottom set, then it is in danger of getting beat by a higher set. Unless there were some big preflop bets, it is probably going to be hard to get flush draws, straight draws, or top two pair out of the hand. And if top two hits, you are going to hit your full house and still lose. Full house beat by higher full house happens way more often in PLO than in holdem. Also, if you hit your set on a board where a flush or straight is already possible, you are probably going to have to catch up and pair the board. On the plus side though, a non nut flush or straight with no pairs or redraws is likely to fold if you pot with your set on the flop.
Summary: Don't overvalue your hand post flop. The nuts can change with every street.
You want your preflop hand to have range. Pocket pair, double suited, with connectors, is my idea hand. With that hand you could hit a set, with a straight or straight draw, and a flush or flush draw. You can even hit a double flush draw on the turn. Some people are partial to double suited run down hands. That can give you wraps or straights with redraws for the higher straight as well as flush draws. Now getting these types of hands exactly are rare, and if you played those hands exclusively, then it would be as boring as playing holdem. However, the closer you can get to that range of hands, the better. The greater your range, the less chance of your made hand on the flop getting beat by a better hand on the turn or river.
Summary: Play hands with range to give you multiple draws or hits on the flop.
This probably over complicates things, but I just have to mention it. The rule of 4/2 to determine your odds of hitting on the turn and river is a great tool. I go by it all the time. However, because everyone gets 4 cards in Omaha, if you are playing a full table of 8 or 9 people, then you need to keep in mind that 70 to 75% of the deck is dealt out by the flop. So you hit a flop with a full wrap and a flush draw and think "GREAT I have over 20 outs." You need to take a reality check. With a table of 8 players there are only 17 cards left after the flop. With a table of 9 players, there are only 13 cards left in the deck after the flop!! So there is a higher chance that your "outs" were already dealt to someone else than there is at a holdem table with the same number of players.
Summary: You don't really have as many outs as you think you do.
Also, if you have a pocket pair that is needed to make a straight, don't assume that because you have the "blockers", that there is little chance someone doesn't have that card to make that straight. The majority of the cards have been dealt preflop, so there is a good chance someone in fact DOES have those cards. Heck, I had a hand of TTT7, which is a bad hand you should actually fold, but there were no preflop raises and it takes a T or 5 to make a straight, so if I hit a straight I have "blockers" and will probably be the only one with the straight. I hit a 986 rainbow flop. Nut straight, and I am thinking it is unlikely anyone has the higher straight draw because I have the "blockers". I bet, one guy calls. Turn comes and it is a blank. No pair, still a rainbow. I pot again. Guy calls. River comes and it is a seven. I pot. He repots. I am thinking "No ****ing way!" I call. He has a JT and the nut straight.
Summary: With the majority of the deck being dealt preflop, there is a greater chance that that "blocker" is actually in one of your opponents hand.
I can think of a lot more things to input, but I don't want to write a book here. LOL.