Non-showdown winnings

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On my graph my non-showdown winnings are negative, is this a problem with my play or is it normal because we are not going further with weaker hands?
 
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It's very common. Worry about your greenline and you'll be fine.
 
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Okay thanks very much
 
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I actually can't seem to understand what none show down winnings mean...It might seem like a stupid question but could someone take the time out to answer this plz...Mine also is in the negative area while my green line is on the positive plus my A.I ev is also on the plus side but this none show down is in the negatives
 
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Non-showdown is simply how much you have won or lost without going to showdown
 
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Non-showdown is simply how much you have won or lost without going to showdown


So curious if it calculates what you lost without going to show down than If I'm -20 than that means I've lost -$20 by either attempting a failed bluff and/or cbetting and folding before the river?
 
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So curious if it calculates what you lost without going to show down than If I'm -20 than that means I've lost -$20 by either attempting a failed bluff and/or cbetting and folding before the river?

I had to delete and correct myself sorry. It's calculated by (what you won minus what you put in) without seeing the river, for every hand. So its pretty normal for it to go down just bc blinds exist.
 
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I imagine you would have to be a really aggressive to have a shot at non showdown bein positive
 
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FWIW back when I played cashed games online consistently on merge (I've sort of given up on trying to make money playing online in USA for time being) my non showdown winnings was always very high, what fluctuated was my showdown winnings, they would range anywhere from slight losses to big winnings. But the way I looked at it was you can consistently have big non showdown winnings whether or not you're running good. But you gotta be getting cards/making hands to get those showdown winnings. So by taking a more lag approach I'm almost smoothing out my variance.
 
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Your red line is a good way to monitor your play of weak and medium hands, as well as if you are going too far with them. If your red line is real steep, analyze your stats and see where you are folding. Most of your folds should be pre flop and the flop. A bad red line can indicate chasing or non believing and that is costly. (most people have a negative red line, it is a matter of degrees) Finding these possible leaks will make your red line less steep than your blue line and increase your overall winnings: if you are having a problem.
 
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FWIW back when I played cashed games online consistently on merge (I've sort of given up on trying to make money playing online in USA for time being) my non showdown winnings was always very high, what fluctuated was my showdown winnings, they would range anywhere from slight losses to big winnings. But the way I looked at it was you can consistently have big non showdown winnings whether or not you're running good. But you gotta be getting cards/making hands to get those showdown winnings. So by taking a more lag approach I'm almost smoothing out my variance.

kinda

showdown winnings are free money hands. everyone should be making money at showdown. this is coolering, valuebetting, knowing when to fold and knowing when youre correct to make that call OTR for the odds that you are getting. the amount you win at showdown will vary, but everyone should be making money here. if not, they have serious leaks.

non SD winnings are a direct representation of how much of a station you are preflop/flop/turn and your attempts at bluffing. if oyu put lots of money in pre and then fold lots post, these will plummet (just look at my graphs :D). conversely, the better you are at picking good spots to bluff, the more these will go up. but yes at ovito mentioned, the fact that blinds exist will push this line down naturally
 
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it is common as most people don't fold a lot to your bets at micro stakes. don't worry about it though, just worry about that green line. its not really a leak unless its sloping at a -45 degree angle.
 
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You can win a lot at showdown while losing at non-showdown, you can win a lot at non-showdown while losing at showdown, you can win on both lines. It just depends on your play style. The angle of the line is what is important, if it's very steeply negative then you have some leaks you should try and address.


Everyone should read this, it's the best poker post I know and it addresses this point.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-stakes-full-ring/cotw-last-red-line-post-ever-791734/
 
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