NL50 6-max online

It's 6-max, so Hero is UTG+1 & HJ, whichever you prefer!
Sorry, I'm not aware of being able to load HUD on this particular site.

$0.25/$0.50 Either $5-50 or $10-50, I forget, likely 5-50.
Button $52.02
SB $42.83
BB $68.91
UTG $144.74
HERO $72
CO $71.4

So without stats, I'll do my best to describe the table settings with 5/6 having played for 1+hr and the BB <30 mins. Generally, the whole table has been either super tight or very passive, depending on your view, despite being on a site KNOWN for being able to shove flops with massive overbets and snap called by someone drawing dead.

The button has gotten out of line slightly a few times with us, never for more than half their stack, sometimes caught by ace high through 2nd or 3rd pair irrelevant kicker.

The SB has also picked a couple of bad spots, either unaware of where they stood or bad spots to make a move/bluff.

The UTG has been the most willing to commit chips, but it has mostly seemed justified and more often gets it through with no showdown.

Both the BB and CO have been solid, rarely continuing on the turn or river without the goods.

Soooo... as you can imagine, this particular table, this particular lineup I'm *mostly* choosing a preLAG/postTAG mixture opening my range relatively wide and opening 2-3.5x depending on various factors semi-regularly yet almost always dumping the no-man's land hands. Meaning, I only need connectors (don't even need to be suited) or two broadway cards or a suited ace but play the whole range so similarly that whether opening and getting called or even 3betting small/light I could easily have any PP including AA. I'm up $22/50 on the session so soon, despite not much continuation by the other players because I'm pretty open and don't always bluff or semi-bluff so they should be fairly confused by my holdings until it is necessary to make it super obvious and go for big value.

Dealt 5d6s
UTG $2 (4BB)
Hero calls
CO folds
BTN folds
SB calls
BB folds
POT $6.5 (13BB)

FLOP 4s7s3c

SB 1/2 tank donks $0.5 (1BB) (1/13th pot total)
UTG 1/2 tank raises $4 (8BB) (4/7th pot total)
Hero calls time, raises to $13 (26BB) (1.18x pot total)
SB snap folds
UTG 3/4 tanks, no time called, raises to $23 (46BB) with $119.74 behind obv. covers all (0.96x pot total)
Hero 1/2 tanks, shoves $72 total (144BB) for $49 more (1.53x pot total)
UTG 1/2 tanks and calls leaving $72.74 behind for a total pot of $147 (before rake taken)

General thoughts?
Guesses on what UTG/Villian has?
Feel free to indicate it's a fold preflop, that is likely true plenty of other times, but assuming you call and see this exact board with your exact hand, and the action before you on the flop in position, how do YOU normally play this and how would you expect UTG to play it based on the range you'd put him on with the information provided?

Thanks!

I don't get it. Been here for 2 days, 88 views or so, not a single comment.

I'm not sure if you're thinking this is a troll thread, it's not. I have the replay handy if anyone wants to see that this really happened.

Even a misguided "yeah, really horrible to get it all in with the stone cold nuts on the flop" would be appreciated at this point!

this hand seems standard so probably explains lack of replies . UTG probably on overpair or AsQs+

Yeah, maybe a high pair or connected to the board. Monster draw or something?

Yeah, what Keith_MM said. Seems pretty standard to me, not much to really discuss. Flops the nuts, gets it all in on the flop...EZ game.

In terms of calling with 56o from UTG+1, seems extremely loose and a losing play in the long run even if you think your post flop edge against these particular players is huge. Just too many hands that can squeeze behind, or get you in tough spots later in the hand and normally you don't flop the gin flop like you do here and you'll just have to fold and lose money.

For what Villain might have, I'd image an overpair, set or some sort of combo draw (flush draw + straight draw or flush draw + overcards) in most scenarios. That's assuming that UTG is a solid player, that's the range I would image they would raise and reraise a cold 4bet in most scenarios. What did he have? D:

I'm curious to know what he showed as well. Most likely AA or KK followed by AQ or AK of spades. Sometimes a set but not many people would open 4x with 77, 44, or 33

SEE there's the kind of responses I was looking for!

Also, at least for me, since this guy was mostly playing straightforward and would not be sticking around for a 4 or 5 bet without a perceived edge or solid redraw value, I was first confused by his 4 bet, and it's size. To all of your points, I feel like I have to just jam here assuming he has something about his hand that he really likes and hope I can fade whatever it is. Maybe it is just me, but I usually prefer to keep it smaller if I assume he's got plenty of equity (like a four flush, and particularly if it's a combo) to re-evaluate on the turn, as opposed to hoping to get it all in for like 240BBs, despite having stone cold nuts. Many times, I get the sense that I lose out on equity from doing this when the scare card comes, they don't react, and I either take it down without a showdown or I don't see their cards and the pot is significantly smaller than, say, in this example. But once I make up my mind to get more in this pot with the 3bet and he puts in the 4bet, now I want it all in to force him to turn over his hand and KNOW what I have to fade, as opposed to just thinking about what it could be, knowing my fold equity is so much smaller at that point, I'll have to pay off when scare cards come anyway.

For me, having the 6 of spades was very integral to my thinking. For one, it was helpful to know he didn't have me in a freeroll with us both having the straight and him having the flush/str8flush redraw. But that was less likely. It just meant that any four flush had one less out, so was reduced to the same likelihood as an open-ended.

Add to all that, as you said, sets seemed pretty unlikely for him, the way he had played and the way he had played this hand. I mean, maybe it is just me but he seemed SUPER eager to get it all in on the flop. But I would have been very surprised to see him roll over 3s or 4s. I guess 7s was a slight possibility, but I was comfortable going for it all and finding out.

In terms of what he had, none of you called it out, specifically, but I guess "guessed correctly" in general. Meaning, no he didn't have AA, KK, a set, a four flush or any combo draws. So, pretty obvious what that leaves as most likely then, right? So can you guess what happens from here?

So if it's none of those then it's gotta be QQ or maybe JJ?

Spripe said:

So if it's none of those then it's gotta be QQ or maybe JJ?

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Yep.

QQ

No spade.

Turn is a Queen...

...river?

So he was 2.83% to win on the flop 0.91% to chop. Slightly better odds with that miracle turn card going to the river.

So yeah, the river was a 7. Runner runner 2.83% to win on flop beats flopped stone cold nuts for what? $147 total so 294BBs on a flop that was like 6bet, right?
::shakes head::
And yet, it doesn't seem like the WORST play by the guy with QQ when you've seen billions of hands online over the years.