(NL2) What would you do if you had TT/JJ and...

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This is my biggest problem so far. I get TT or JJ and raise pre-flop. I get called by the button or CO and the flop comes 2 over cards and one lower. I make a bet again (1/2 - 2/3 of the pot) and he calls. Turn comes and I it's not a J or a T. What should I do here?

Normally, I would keep betting, but it never seems to work, and I know they have their over pair, and I end up losing all the profit of that session on that one play.
 
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Everyone does it a little different but I will raise PF - raise like I have AA (what is your raise?)
Two overs on the flop - I figure I'm cooked by anyone who called my aggressive uber raise and am prepared to abandon ship.

If my raise was light then I'm going to have a harder time figuring it out.
 
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This is my biggest problem so far. I get TT or JJ and raise pre-flop. I get called by the button or CO and the flop comes 2 over cards and one lower. I make a bet again (1/2 - 2/3 of the pot) and he calls. Turn comes and I it's not a J or a T. What should I do here?

Normally, I would keep betting, but it never seems to work, and I know they have their over pair, and I end up losing all the profit of that session on that one play.
You must learn to fold! C/F is an option also the cbet is cool but you must evaluate your hand and opponent on every street, what is his range and what hands call here that beat me. Check the turn and look for a possible fold.
 
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My raise is a standard 3 BB + everyone who calls before me.

So I guess checking the turn would be the best bet here, I just hate showing weakness or laying down a TT/JJ even though I know it's easy to beat.
 
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My raise is a standard 3 BB + everyone who calls before me.
yeah, I just can't raise standard there and invite standard hands to join me

So I guess checking the turn would be the best bet here, I just hate showing weakness or laying down a TT/JJ even though I know it's easy to beat.
It beats losing more money. But again with a standard raise it is harder to range the flatters. You go big PF and then you can really figure you're beat when those overs show up.
 
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Why exactly are you even betting the flop? Against the vast majority of micro stakes player ch/folding the flop is best. Against aggro guys who may try to steal the pot with air/worse if you check, ch/calling 1 street is better than cbetting.

With JJ on a AQx flop you're not really afraid of overs hitting since there are so few AND by betting you're turning your JJ into a bluff and a bad one at that since no micro player is folding even Qx for 1 bet.
 
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I think raise bigger for premium hands (4xBB for JJ+ if you are opening. 4+1BB for every limper). Also, dont be afraid to fold pre if you meet unusual aggression. Dont be afraid to fold to overcards on the flop and treat JJ/TT like a medium pp in that case. I'm still learning how to play these hands and QQ which seems lose quite often for me when I get action. I need to get better with the ladies I guess.
 
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Hmm. First, are you using a HUD? How many hands do you have on the villain? Any reads? Did he instacall preflop? Did he instacall the cbet? If not instacall, how long did he think about it? What other hands have you seen him play?

If you really know nothing about the guy (like maybe you just paid the blind and have folded the rest of the hands and so has he and you never played him before) then I would just go raise PF, cbet flop, then check and give up. Once you know a little more about him you can maybe do more. I would make that pf raise 6 or 8 and the cbet pot. If you raise 6 pre and 6 again on the flop, a lot of 2nl people (at least the thinkers) will perceive that as weak or they will just be willing to gamble for 6 more cents. Maybe he has complete garbage or bottom pair or something and is just chasing knowing that you might be weak and give up or he might hit big. God only knows what these 2nl people think. You gotta be in there playing TAG tho, and just cause your betting doesn't make it aggressive, you should make it look good.
 
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Thanks guys, I've definitely learned a lot and am going to be adjusting my play.

Hmm. First, are you using a HUD? How many hands do you have on the villain? Any reads? Did he instacall preflop? Did he instacall the cbet? If not instacall, how long did he think about it? What other hands have you seen him play?

If you really know nothing about the guy (like maybe you just paid the blind and have folded the rest of the hands and so has he and you never played him before) then I would just go raise PF, cbet flop, then check and give up. Once you know a little more about him you can maybe do more. I would make that pf raise 6 or 8 and the cbet pot. If you raise 6 pre and 6 again on the flop, a lot of 2nl people (at least the thinkers) will perceive that as weak or they will just be willing to gamble for 6 more cents. Maybe he has complete garbage or bottom pair or something and is just chasing knowing that you might be weak and give up or he might hit big. God only knows what these 2nl people think. You gotta be in there playing TAG tho, and just cause your betting doesn't make it aggressive, you should make it look good.

I don't remember if it was insta-call or not, but I don't rule someone out if they're not insta-calling (they may be multi-tabling or, like I do, I kind of wait on purpose before I press a button when I have a monster to make it seem like I'm chasing a draw). He was a pretty passive player, so I guess I should've seen something given that this guy barely raises pre-flop. I've only recently started using HUD though and am still in the learning process of which stats to use when on a player.
 
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Wth TT i would not lead out post flop, let him go 1st. If he checks then get aggressive. A small bet means he has a low to mid pair or chasing. large amounts represent strong hands or a bluff
 
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Against most opponents I would Check - fold the turn. If the opponent will frequently chase with a weak hand (under pair in the pocket, draws or bottom pair) I might bet the turn, but I need a compelling reason.
 
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