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I know there have been many threads like this, but I recently moved from NL2 to NL5 and instantly got ****ed. I really don't know what the issue was, but I lost 2 buy-in's in 200 hands... Is it worth sticking it out for a few more thousand hands or move back down until I'm feeling more comfortable?
 
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Would say the 200 hands is a very small sample size. I would say play at least 1-2k hands before you even think about making those decisions. It seems to me that it has effected you so would suggest moving back to 2NL until you have the confidence to give it another shot. Sometimes it's about how u feel within and not the bankroll. Good luck at the tables
 
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I remember that step, it's very daunting even though on paper it seems that it wouldn't be too bad. I too suffered early on playing 5NL but I soon adjusted. If you're feeling uncomfortable there is no shame in moving back down!
 
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I remember my steps from 2nl to 5nl and then to 10no limit. Both of those steps were tough. It was like stepping into another world. It was kind of scary just because of the size of the pots, which were not much when I look back on it. Now I'm wanting to step up to 25nl, but because I have not forgot what those step were like, I have put it off. But I do open a table and watch some. I like what somerssetlad9 said "Sometimes it's about how u feel within and not the BR" That's so true. Confidence to make those steps is very important. Also keep in mind that you are still just betting, raising, and calling the same hands you were at 2nl. Your BR won't disappear at the table. That may sound stupid, but I felt like that. And I could not afford to lose $5. Anyway, GL to you at all your tables.
 
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Post hand histories of the pots you lose buy ins in or spots where you aren't sure if you played correctly. One of the best ways of improving!
 
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Losing a couple of bis is not a big deal. Just make sure that you are playing the best you can , control your tilt and make sure you manage your bankroll correctly.
 
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It could be my own tendency toward poor BRM but losing 2 BI's in 200 hands seems like a very small sample and reasonable although somewhat pronounced variance. All in all, and I submit this as an opinion and not some empirical fact, it seems like it would be reactionary to move back down based only on this information in a vacuum. Now that being said if you are not playing your game at these stakes then do whatever is necessary to return to your A Game. No shame in going back down, but you should also set ahead of time how many BI's you are willing to lose before making a decision to guard yourself from emotional decision making.
 
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200 hands is a small sample size - and losing two BI isn't that big of a deal UNLESS you're playing outside of your roll.
 
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Just make sure you focus on what days you win and what times.

When you take your next step again make sure you start on the days you do your best! At least til your in a bit deeper and get 1 or 2 good sessions under your belt.

Though another thing I could suggest is on the times fish are around a lot more try and focus on the next level, at the tougher times or times you mainly just play regs go back down until your comfortable.


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Not sure if theres any theory or concept but I made this up. When you have enough Bankroll and not sure about it, play the level your beating and when you've stacked enough to play max buy-in to next level.. MOVE UP! :) take a shot with other players money not urs.


So for instance you start at 4NL... When you make $6 close that table and find the best table for 6 NL... HELL why stop there just keep converting to the next level 10NL when you have $10 ... But make sure if you lose it that you go back to the original level your rolled for.
 
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I think it just took some getting used to.. I've changed my game plan a bit by playing just a couple NL5 tables and a couple NL2 tables. I've noticed a few differences between levels that isn't necessarily tougher competition, just different styles of play.

I have quite nitty BRM, however I still struggle to separate 'chips' from 'money' in my head - losing 2 BI's at NL5 I see as losing 6k hands worth of winning's at NL2. I am also sure I don't have the foundations entirely down yet.
 
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Just make sure you focus on what days you win and what times.

When you take your next step again make sure you start on the days you do your best! At least til your in a bit deeper and get 1 or 2 good sessions under your belt.

Though another thing I could suggest is on the times fish are around a lot more try and focus on the next level, at the tougher times or times you mainly just play regs go back down until your comfortable.


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Not sure if theres any theory or concept but I made this up. When you have enough Bankroll and not sure about it, play the level your beating and when you've stacked enough to play max buy-in to next level.. MOVE UP! :) take a shot with other players money not urs.


So for instance you start at 4NL... When you make $6 close that table and find the best table for 6 NL... HELL why stop there just keep converting to the next level 10NL when you have $10 ... But make sure if you lose it that you go back to the original level your rolled for.

This is very helpful, thanks. I agree that competition does seem tougher depending on the time of day - baby stepping up stakes that way as well as what I am currently doing (playing 2 NL2 and 2 NL5 tables), could help out. I'll give it a try.
 
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for a start if you so sharply endure loss only of 2 buyins to you it is worth passing to the following limit with very comfortable BR I think not less than 50 buyins and on higher limits and that more
 
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To help separate chips from money always think of BBs preflop and % of the pot postflop. Of course play within your roll and you should be fine. If you play scared and aren't willing to put your full stack in with KK & AA then you should move down.
 
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The main thing, I think, is how you lost these 2bis. If it's your mistakes, then you came to that limit too early and must improve your skill. If this is a bad luck and you sure acted right, just play further. Analyze your game after every session.
 
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i played for fun yesterday NL2
i played 440 hand with winrate 85bb/100
then i moved to NL5
it was a good run i had 180bb stack an KK at HJ
was first to say i open raised - had 3bet from a SB - made a 4bet - he called
at J high flop he donk bets - i pushed all in ... he had JJ....3 hours of play an i LOST it all in 1 hand... its a poker baby :)
 
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I will whright this topic after switch from NL5 to NL10.
Before I dont have all information I need to correct view of this situation.
I think it will be very interesting. So wait some times, and I wright this interesting story of my poker development ))))
 
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i had that feeling a few times as well - but why not move down to nl2 as long as you crush it so hard that every hand bores you to hell cause you know you could play higher.

right now you don't seem to have confidence in playing nl5 and i think that confidence is really important
 
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nl2 till nl10 seems no difference in skill of players. I think representative sample should be not less then 20k hands.
 
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Having played 200 hands do not make any conclusions. We need to play much, much more.
 
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as a full on rec, but still very keen on the game i don't mind playīng at any of the micros up to nl25. i've had a few goes as nl50 but boyy that's aggroland!!

i remember the first time i played nl25 though, shortly after starting i won a 200bb pot, and was like whooaah, huge pot, but as skrsh76 said, eventually you should just think of it as big blinds pre, and %pot post
 
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200 hands? really? not nearly of a big enough sample to determing anything, even for a 10bb/100 player the chances of loosing over 200 hands are 45% and the biggest posible down would be of around 15BB, so it terms of how bad it is its not even close, but again, the sample size is meaningless.
 
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I moved up about a month ago and lost 10 buy-ins within the first 4000 hands. I'm only just back in the green after 16,000
 
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I think there are no diffrenceses between NL2 and NL5. You was just unlucky on the first 200 hand. If you got enough bankroll (min50$-100$) than keep playing on NL5, and i wish more luck at tables!
 
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