New ways to play aces

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, €0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (€10.45)
UTG (€4.94)
Hero (MP) (€9.55)
CO (€12.74)
Button (€11.52)
SB (€18.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A
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1 fold, Hero bets €0.30, 2 folds, SB raises to €1, 1 fold, Hero raises to €2.68, 1 fold

Total pot: €2.10 | Rake: €0


Since moving up to 10NL it seems aces don't get AIPF as easy. I think the difference between peoples 3betting and stacking off range is a lot bigger in 10NL than 5 and 2NL. This means I need new ways to play aces.
As with the hand above, is it ever ok to flat the 3bet? If so are we treating it as the nuts on the flop and stacking off most of the time (unless ofcourse its a dirty wet board).
Thoughts and tips appreciated.
 
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Theres really no wrong or right way to play them. I find sometimes raising 3 or 4 times the BB works well, but you'll always get those random calls and someone will hit the flop, then your in trouble. I think its best to get your chips in early unless you have position on an aggressive player who will build up the pot for you and bet into you.
 
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Theres really no wrong or right way to play them. I find sometimes raising 3 or 4 times the BB works well, but you'll always get those random calls and someone will hit the flop, then your in trouble. I think its best to get your chips in early unless you have position on an aggressive player who will build up the pot for you and bet into you.
There is a wrong way to play AA and that's limping in, especially at the micro levels.
The right way to play AA varies with the opponents you're facing but as with all premium pairs the rule of thumb is 4xBB + 1BB for every limper.
 
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I'm talking about facing a 3b primarily. Open raising my range is wide. 3betting my range is wide. 4betting my range is very narrow. So is flatting ok when IP against a wide(ish) 3b range?
 
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In this hand you'll be in position so flatting the SB 3bet is fine imo. By 4 betting you're folding all his AQ/TT or something like that range, plus maybe some of his AK/JJ type of range as well.

It's player dependent, obv. If he's aggressive and esp if he reads you as aggressive he'll be willing to get AK in since he'll be OOP, but if he's not, then you're folding out a chunk of his 3bet range that you dominate by 4 betting.
 
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flatting is ok but nice 4bet size
 
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People flatting 3bets with AA or KK always get my stack :(
 
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if you would only stack off with aces or kings, then it would be best to flat there (on occasion, at least), since when you do 4bet, everyone will know what you have, right?

that said, you should also perhaps do it with other hands, which would show your AA 4-bets get called a bit more often.
 
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Yeah I was thinking that maybe if you opened up your 4-bet range a tad, that way they won't always know you have AA or KK if you mix in a few other hands.
 
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You could always fold AA preflop lol. Thats a strategy that might actually work nowadays lol. I've never actually done it....but sometimes i wish i had.
 
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if you would only stack off with aces or kings, then it would be best to flat there (on occasion, at least), since when you do 4bet, everyone will know what you have, right?

that said, you should also perhaps do it with other hands, which would show your AA 4-bets get called a bit more often.

Yeah I was thinking that maybe if you opened up your 4-bet range a tad, that way they won't always know you have AA or KK if you mix in a few other hands.

Suprisingly I didn't even think about this. I like the idea but i'd need more help with ranges and when to do it etc. For starters my 3betting range is pretty poor to start with but I have an idea of what to do here.
Some questions would be what hands are we 4betting?
Can we ever 4bet fold 100B deep or do we just have to play hands that have decent equity in 5bet pots (such as 56s, 78s etc)
78s is 41% vs. AK so even if I have to call i'd have good equity.

What kind of 4bet size should I do 100BB deep (for example in the above hand I can probably 4bet fold as I only have 26BB invested).

Finally if someone calls the 4bet (really rare IMO) what kinds of flops am I stacking?

This could be a good discussion..
 
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You could always fold AA preflop lol. Thats a strategy that might actually work nowadays lol. I've never actually done it....but sometimes i wish i had.

Please don't lol. If you think you should have folded aces preflop because they get beat you don't understand poker.
 
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I would flat a 3-bet OOP with KK/AA but vs. a SB (especially if he's tight) you should probably always 4-bet.
 
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thought this thread was going to be a horrendous idea on how to play AA

hand depends on 3b stat but as standard i would just 4b to about 22 -24bbs, 100 deep
 
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