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So I've been grinding micro stakes on carbon for a little over a year now and have recently grew my bank roll to the size needed to move up a limit. I played few thousand hands at my new limit and did quite well while keeping the same 9bb/100 win rate. Today I was thinking about what would be the best decision in the long run for me. You see, I've been playing mid stack strategy this entire time. While I was still a winning player at my new stake, I realized that the mid stack buy in at this limit is the same as the max buy in on my old limit. I think it would be more beneficial to me to drop back down and learn big stack, What do you guys think? I would like to also know when is a good is a good point to leave he table in big stack. I know to leave the table after winning 10bb for mid stack but not sure for big stack.
 
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I cant say much since you said your a winning player on both stakes. You also said you maintain the 9bb/100 win rate at either stakes.

But what I know, the higher you go, the tougher it becomes.
 
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I'm not so sure there is a good point to leave the table in big stack. If you're winning, you should stay around and suck up more money. If you're playing with positive expectation why would you want to yank money off the table?
 
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A few thoughts:

- Definitely learn to play with a full stack.
- With a full stack, you leave the table when you don't think there's anyone left that you can beat. You won't want to put yourself in a position where you're putting an artificial cap on your wins.
- You're likely to find that 9bb/100 is an unsustainable winrate, and a few thousand hands isn't a very big sample size.
 
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If you're a winning player, it's counter-productive to leave a table in order to avoid playing with a big stack. You want to have the biggest stack at the table. You're more likely to stack an opponent than to get stacked, so having a big stack increases your winnings over the long run.

As for 9bb not being sustainable at the lowest levels, you might want to check what players like blackrain say about that.
 
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Thanks for the posts guys. Today was a shit day. nothing would stick so im going to stop for the day and review some hands. Nothing would hold and i got sucked out a lot. I guess that luck is coming back at me for winning $200 in that free roll lol.
 

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I'm not so sure there is a good point to leave the table in big stack. If you're winning, you should stay around and suck up more money. If you're playing with positive expectation why would you want to yank money off the table?
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when you have a solid amount to yourself others will always watch what cards to play against you, so it's also a good tactic for you.
 
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And I guess I shouldn't complain about today's losses it was only 2.5 buy ins but it feels like a lot more coming from mid stack strategy.
 
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Some of you guys are saying he should keep sitting on the table with a big stack but if his edge is with playing medium stacks, he will get into a lot of tough spots with a 100bb+ stack where he doesn't know what to do.

I think its fine for you to continue playing the MSS. Eventually I'm sure you'll transition into 100BB+ play but its fine to keep playing MSS imo. It will help your play against MSS when you have transitioned to 100BB+ play. Know thy enemy and all. You need to know what to do against short stacks and medium stacks when you are deep to not get exploited by them.

There is no need to force yourself imo. Just learn what is comfortable and profitable for you.
 
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Some of you guys are saying he should keep sitting on the table with a big stack but if his edge is with playing medium stacks, he will get into a lot of tough spots with a 100bb+ stack where he doesn't know what to do.

I think its fine for you to continue playing the MSS. Eventually I'm sure you'll transition into 100BB+ play but its fine to keep playing MSS imo. It will help your play against MSS when you have transitioned to 100BB+ play. Know thy enemy and all. You need to know what to do against short stacks and medium stacks when you are deep to not get exploited by them.

There is no need to force yourself imo. Just learn what is comfortable and profitable for you.

Does 100BB on a cash game count as big stack?! I play 2c/5c and you sit down with 5euro which is 100BB.

Maybe its my play style, but I seem to play my best when im sitting with 300/400BB. You seem to pick up many more small pots and you´re not capping your potential winnings when you get involved in a big pot. Granted you´ve always got that risk of getting in to a cooler and losing a big stack!
 
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Does 100BB on a cash game count as big stack?! I play 2c/5c and you sit down with 5euro which is 100BB.

Maybe its my play style, but I seem to play my best when im sitting with 300/400BB. You seem to pick up many more small pots and you´re not capping your potential winnings when you get involved in a big pot. Granted you´ve always got that risk of getting in to a cooler and losing a big stack!

No I'm saying that 100bb stack is much bigger than 40bb and the play differs alot. Crushing the stakes playing shallow poker does not mean you will still do with a 100bb stack
 
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Some of you guys are saying he should keep sitting on the table with a big stack but if his edge is with playing medium stacks, he will get into a lot of tough spots with a 100bb+ stack where he doesn't know what to do.

I think its fine for you to continue playing the MSS. Eventually I'm sure you'll transition into 100BB+ play but its fine to keep playing MSS imo. It will help your play against MSS when you have transitioned to 100BB+ play. Know thy enemy and all. You need to know what to do against short stacks and medium stacks when you are deep to not get exploited by them.
This is a penny wise, pound foolish point of view. If he's not good with a big stack, the sooner he improves, the better it will be for his long-term, career winnings. Even if improving means a short-term hit to win rate, it's better in the big picture to take that hit early rather than delay it.
 
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I feel that I'm playing fine with a big stack I'm just running bad. I'm getting called down just to be rivered by donks in pots that I've grown quite large for more than half my stack when I knew I was ahead. It's so annoying.
 
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I feel that I'm playing fine with a big stack I'm just running bad. I'm getting called down just to be rivered by donks in pots that I've grown quite large for more than half my stack when I knew I was ahead. It's so annoying.
You feel or you know because you've reviewed your hands? It's not exactly unusual in poker to think we're playing better than we actually are. Plus getting rivered isn't always the same. If we priced opponents in, the first thing to do is to point the finger is at ourselves.
 
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I'm not so sure there is a good point to leave the table in big stack. If you're winning, you should stay around and suck up more money. If you're playing with positive expectation why would you want to yank money off the table?

This is why many gamblers go bust... Not knowing when to stop... If you make nice stack its safer to split,than to lose on 1 bad beat...
And there are people that play worse when deepstack,i am one of those,if i am big stack and shortstack shoves,i call cause i have plenty of chips and thinking he have rubbish... Than he shows AA... Bigger stack= looser game

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if you are winning don´t change your strategy, you can try making little adjustments in your game but keep the basics because obviously they are working for your game pretty well
 
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