This is a discussion on New PLO skype study group within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; Hey guys! I'm fairly new to PLO and looking to talk to some fellow grinders who are willing to share hands and discuss strategy :)
Hey guys! I'm fairly new to PLO and looking to talk to some fellow grinders who are willing to share hands and discuss strategy Transitioned from NLHE around a month ago. Message me if you're interested with your skype ID. Thanks guys
23rd June 2016, 10:44 PM
Online Poker at: PokerStars
Will there be full frontal nudity involved? I am kind of shy and insecure, JK! Good luck, I like the game, but I can't stand skype. The hermit in me likes to play hide and seek. I prefer my lessons incognito, behind close doors, LOL!
26th June 2016, 7:30 PM
Poker at: ACR
I am learning PLO, myself, but I don't do skype either. I prefer to discuss hands or strategy through forums or some other text-based chat medium.
26th June 2016, 9:00 PM
Online Poker at: ACR,GLOBAL
same here i'm learning plo, and don't even know what skype is. lol But if yall are gonna start a thread, count me in..Tal
2nd July 2016, 5:45 PM
Poker at: ACR
I figured we could discuss some of our hands in this thread, until we find something better. Here's one from this morning. Try and think of what you would do at each stage, before reading what I did and my thoughts. I've left off the results, to reduce that changing your answers. I also can't promise that I played this hand well, so my decisions might not even be good ones.
This is on Bovada, so I only know these players from this session. So far, they have been pretty tame. They have played pretty straight-forward and have been weak-tight. I've picked up a few pots, and they haven't made any attempt to stand up to me. A few hands ago, I got raised on the turn. I folded and a third player called. The raiser had hit a set on the turn and was called by a pair with a flush draw. An obvious straight hit on the river and they both checked it down. It's a fairly unusual dynamic for PLO5 on this site, but it was also 6:20am EDT. I expect most of the drunk spaz players had already gone to bed.
a) check (intending to call if BTN bets)
b) check (intending to fold if BTN bets)
c) bet $1.64 (half pot -- BTN has $2.27 left)
d) bet $3.27 (pot -- BTN has $2.27 left)
Hero bets $3.27
THOUGHTS PRE-FLOP: I like (c - raising). This is a double suited rundown with a middle gap, I've certainly raised worse. I expect to be able to pick up the pot on a lot of uncoordinated flops, and those flops that are coordinated will probably be good for me. There are some flops that will be bad, but that's fine. We didn't invest too much. I could also see (b - calling), if the table was more aggressive and I expected a raise behind me. I'm not folding this hand, unless two people go to war and appear to be trying to get stacks in pre-flop.
THOUGHTS FLOP: I strongly lean towards (b - betting). Boards don't get drier than this. There are very few hands that should be able to continue. I am not betting because I think my top-pair is good, although it does help by decreasing the odds that someone has top set. The other players have been pretty straight-forward and give up pretty easily. This should pick up the pot often enough to be profitable. If we get raised here, it's an easy fold as our hand isn't worth much. If we check here, it's probably with the intention of giving up.
THOUGHTS TURN: That's the best card in the deck. It not only gives us a 13 card nut wrap, it also gives us a backdoor flush draw. Of the 44 cards left in the deck, we can expect nearly half of them to help us on the river. It is also unlikely to have helped the BTN. They didn't show a lot of strength on the flop, and I think (b) is the best choice. We have a lot of fold equity and we could also improve to the best hand, even if we get called.
THOUGHTS RIVER: This river card stinks, but it also is highly likely to have missed the BTN as well. I think the only two options here are (b) or (d). We have absolutely no showdown value. Betting half-pot, or even a smaller amount, saves us some money if the BTN shoves and we fold. But, I think pot maximizes our fold equity. The only hand that really concerns me is something like Q-7-x-x or Q-Q-x-x as I expect most two pair hands to raise earlier. This player might find a call with smaller two-pair hands, but that's a chance I'm willing to take. The board is pretty dry and I expect the BTN has a marginal hand very often in this spot.
So, what would you have done? Do you disagree with my aggressive line? This hand stuck out to me because PLO5 generally has me nut-peddling as 5-6 people see a flop in an unraised pot (or a single raised pot) very often.
2nd July 2016, 6:24 PM
Online Poker at: ACR
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I should note that my plan for the turn was to give up, if I didn't improve. I would slow-down if I improved to top 2-pair. There are very few turn cards where I would continue to be the aggressor. The nine of hearts was definitely a big factor in keeping the aggression going. Maybe if I hit the ten of hearts, for top two pair and a flush draw, the other 9s, and the remaining 7s. That might be too aggressive for some of those hands.
2nd July 2016, 7:24 PM
Poker at: ACR
Hand #2, same table as before but a little while later.
THOUGHTS PRE-FLOP: I think raising is absolutely out here. We can expect to get called in several spots and we're just inflating the pot while out of position. If we raise and the CO calls with 1-2 others, we're also playing with a low SPR with a marginal hand and first to act. This hand isn't very good. I think there is a strong case for just folding here. It's a 3-card hand, out of position, which is likely not going to draw to the nuts and has one of its own outs dead. I end up calling because I justify it by thinking I could flop perfect and I am getting 9-1 to try.
THOUGHTS FLOP: I think betting into the field is asking for trouble here. We have top two pair, but the board likely hit a lot of people and we don't really have any draws to improve to the nuts aside from the full-house draw. I think (a) checking is best.
After it checks to the CO and they bet 2/3rds pot, I think folding top two pair is just too weak here. I also think raising is over-playing our hand. We also have to worry about the rest of the field behind us. They haven't shown any interest, but that doesn't mean they won't.
THOUGHTS TURN: This is not a good card to bet out. We could be up against a made straight. We do have some flush and full house outs, so we would prefer to get a cheap/free card. We can't stand being raised, if we bet. After the CO bets again, I think the right play is to fold. They only have $1.04 left, we can't be sure that the UTG player will call instead of folding (or worse, raising). We could hit the flush and lose and might not get paid off, if we are good. Basically, there's just no value in calling. Not that this stopped me from being a good old fish and calling anyway.
THOUGHTS RIVER: We miss everything and are out of position against two people. There's no reason to think our hand is good here and there's no reason to expect a bluff to work. I think the only thing we can do is check, hope it checks down and our two pair is good. When the UTG player bets out here, we know our hand isn't good. They can expect the CO to call with anything (as they are getting almost 3.6-1 on the call), and there's not many (any?) value hands that we beat. So we can fold here.
I really think I butchered this hand. I probably should have folded pre-flop, or on the turn. I don't think the flop play is horrible, given that we get there. But, I think the turn call is just never good.