Never limp, always raise/fold.........even at 1/2 live casino no limit?

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I have to admit that I limp in a lot when playing 1/2 live at the casino. My strategy is that everyone limps in, so unless I hit a monster flop, I will generally fold if a big bet gets to me.

What is your opinion on limping in on maybe the loosest games?
 
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My strategy is that everyone limps in
why do you want to do what everyone does
, so unless I hit a monster flop, I will generally fold if a big bet gets to me.

how does this make it ok to limp?
 
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this is why I posted this to be honest. I need to raise and fold more. Sometimes if a lot of people are in, 2 bucks to maybe catch a monster is tempting. Since those tables are so loose, should I tighten up to where I'm playing the top 10% of hands? Thanks
 
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Everyone at the casino/live rooms just play bingo.

When you raise you are trying to reduce number of villains, and get value.


Limping with spec hands is OK I guess, but I wouldn't do it super often.


But I don't really know that much anyways. The more I learn, the more clueless I think I really am.
 
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if the flop is cheap and your stack is strong enough you can limp speculative hands, like pocket pairs or suited connectors, or Ax s and try to complete a project when a table is full of limpers,

i think it could pay off if the table is playing this game (5 limpers on average) so if you hit one project (or set) every 5 hands you limp, then you are going to rise your stack quite often at a low cost, and better than that the risk is quite small since you are just betting on big hands (flushes, straights, fulls, sets) and as the says goes: `big pots are for big hands`

but never do that against 3bets if you don`t have a monster otherwise you will be exposing your stack quite often and you will see your stack dwinling fast

actually this limper style poker was applied by no less than Michael Riess in the wsop and he finished winning it all
 
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The reason why people say "don't limp, raise or fold" it's because a limp it's a extremely weak play, even more true if you are out of position (with some exceptions if you are trying to make a move).

I will generally fold if a big bet gets to me.

That's why it is weak, you will be folding to any strong bet, and leave your $2 bucks in the table everytime. Raising is much better cause it hides the real strength of your hand and in a post-flop situation you are much more entitled to steal it even when you don't hit anything.
 
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Limping with spec hands, fine to me but if you have a strong hand like AK I would raise, or a pocket pair over 10's

I am no expert though :p
 
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I limp a lot less than I used to, but I still do it from time to time. I try not to do it when there are a few thinking players at the table because of how exploitable it is, but if the table is mostly fish (it almost always is), limping isn't that horrible.

Sometimes I'll do it with suited connectors or small-medium pairs, and if it gets raised, I'll call if the pot is multiway. IMO, it is a good way to set mine against poor players. You avoid getting 3bet off a small pair and instead can call a standard raise with good implied odds, and poor players generally don't even think about and/or exploit your limp range.

Don't limp with anything you're not willing to call a standard raise with, though. Limp/folding is like throwing money away. If you did it five times per hour throughout an eight hour session, that is an $80 difference at the end of the day. Big leak.

Also, don't fall into the trap of adjusting your bet sizing to the strength of your hand for the sake of not limping. I'll see players who usually raise to $12 preflop suddenly raise to $5 one hand. It's usually a dead giveaway that they have a small-medium pair or something like 10-9s. If you're going to raise, raise as if you have a premium.
 
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The £1/2 games live in the UK are still quite loose in most places, exception being London where there are decent players and good competition.

If you're in late position, with a good stack size, I wouldn't hate limping with a small pocket pair or suited connectors. I don't see a legitimate reason to limp in with a strong hand though.
 
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It is way better to raise and check raise, limp is always bad move unless you are trapping a monster hand, loose play is good as long as you know how to play your hand when you are playing small pairs or suited connectors,,,, if you have tight table image it will not be harmfull when you play some suited connectors agressively :)
 
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it depends on how loose is the table. if some of the players raises lots of hand then limping isnt your best choice as you will be forced to call at least 3 times the bb to stay on the hand, however especially in late positions if no one enters or raises I dont see anything wrong with limping and watching a cheap flop. if you hit a monster like a set or straight, or a good draw, you will possible make lot of money, and if you dont hit anything just fold the hand, and wait for a better flop.
 
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i used to play like this, everybody limped so i did, but then i read a lot of being a limper and all the wrong stuff we do at poker,

i read in this forum about somebody that won a mtt without even watching his cards just playing position, and yes i´ve progressivily tried to change (to improve) and no limp anymore (it is hard honestly because when one is at utg and is dealt Q-T one knows one can not raise so one wants limp knowing that one must fold)

now when people are limping one must play accordingly (not limping) fold or raise, once they pay the price one or two times with the monsters they will start to fold everytime one raises and they will start losing chips if they continue limping
 
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limp I only raise one two blinds more, limps 50% chnaces to win, but donks ever call in straddle and do straights hehe
 
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think limping is less about how loose the table is and more about how aggessive the villians are

ie if dont think you will get raised go ahead and limp your 22 under the gun, but if there is a lot of 3betting then its no good out of position
 
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Never limp, fold/raise pre-flop

Yeah. When I buy in for 200 BB at $1/2 NL cash game. I only limp on the button, since I'm priced in to see a flop, unless SB or BB raises.

The problem with limped in a 9 or 10 player table is that when you're UTG or middle position, it's not a good call. Because you'll not gain any information to players who limp or even raise after you. You want to be the raise, control the pot size by opening the betting, then get 2-3 players to see the flop with you, at most. Then you just play your hand or outplay your opponents on the flop. I can understand not wanting to commit chips, but you can't play scared. By raising everytime(unless on the button) you enter the pot, it's harder for other to put you on a hand. When you miss the flop, you can check/fold. But if you hit the flop, something like middle pair, top pair with weak kicker, value bet ! If you hit a monster hand, you can check/raise and check the turn and bet the river.

So in summary. Always fold/raise pre-flop. So that it does 3 things.
1. Get other to fold behind you, get better position on the flop.
2. Increase the size of the pot with strong starting hands.
3. Take the lead and other with often check to you on the flop when they miss. Then you can c-bet(1/2 -2/3 of the pot), which will just look like a continuation bet. Anyone with a pair or straight/flush draw will likely call your bet. If turn is a blank, bet when check to you. You can make a pot size bet to make your opponents pay to chase the straight/flush draw. If have a pair or better on the flop, and turn. They are getting 12 outs(open ended straight with a flush draw) at best, which is 25%. OR 3:1 to call the river.

Try it out next time, and let me know how it works out !
 
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I love it when players limp\fold with under 10bb in a tourney, then criticize me for frequently shoving near the bubble by saying "that's his only move". Just keep on limp-folding utg with 7bb left, suckers. ;) :shakehand

But yeah, I've limped plenty in live $1\$2 (probably a leak); just depends on the table.
 
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So, raise every time, and be ok that you may lose most of the time, but will make it back the one time you hit.

I need to learn that. I always play the hand in isolation, and assume (correctly) that I won't hit, so why raise? You'll just lose it anyway. I need to focus on the 1 in 6 times I DO hit, and make it all back. DAMN
 
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I really like playing a somewhat reserved version of Super System live, limping early with a very polarized range, and steadily increasing my aggression, and looseness as position becomes more favorable. Many live games I have played in, raising early has done very little to limit the field, and if there is a re-raise, I lose more by folding than if I just called and flatted the raise. If my limps are getting raised too often, and I have not been lucky enough to have a hand worth back raising with-I will tighten up and play a more standard TAG game, but hitting a home run with 77 or 56 is sooo much more profitable than playing a pocket pair out of position with overcards on the flop, or missing with AK and facing a raise.
 
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yes I posted an introductory salutation. Thanks
 
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The key is to be less predictable

If you raise only your good hands then your easy to play against. Limp with ak off,never aces or kings but sometimes jj. Raise it up with AA.JJ.QK suited big hands and some marginal hands like 4-6 suited to bee less predictable!!. AK is one of the the best hands you can limp with because you will get some callers and when the flop comes k-4-7 and they have ace seven you check then re raise they are confused because why would you re-raise,or call a bet with a good king when you limped right? They then pay you off with a pair of sevens or better yet their entire stack when it's rivers an ace. You can fold when the flop comes all spades or something weird as well making ak limp in a profitable play. Limping in with 5-6 off is also great it's cheap and and easy to know where you stand if the flop comes 4-7-8 your gold or 7-8 Ace then you can continue. Never just play any 2 cards and limp with qj or 10-j they are super vulnerable and lose to so many hands it's a joke. Top pair bad kicker hitting your 2 pair and having it drawn out on as the straight such as q-j-4-10-5 with 89 as the straight. It's always good to raise it up with aces and only occasionally limp in with em say in tournament play. If it's 1/2 cash always raise with big pp even jacks usually and 60-40 ak off however it's best to raise it with ak suited always. To mix it up from utg raise with q-10 because people have seen you only raise big pp and could get you a free turn card on a nice draw. If your the first one to enter on a 9 handed game in say 5th position with 4 people behind raise with any suited cards from j-8 and up and off suit from q-9 and up and small pp. To be a little more tricky raise 5 x utg with say 66 and sometimes limp either way both wont hurt you as they play good enough with sets with many players or fewer players it's marginal :) The key is understanding other peoples hands ranges and how they will pay you off! If you think anyone and everyone at the table will call a 9 dollar raise then wait for big hands like qk.aq and 10-j-suited pocket 10-10 kings etc.. just pop it!! Do this because the cards are superior to their weak range and it makes the pot bigger and makes people committed to draws and weak pairs when you are the statistical favorite in many situations thus paying you off in a big way. If the table is weak and tight then limping is a good thing with most cards they only bet with a pair and often it's second pair so you can value bet them for 25 bucks a hand with a 95% chance of winning just bet 10-10-10 and they will call to the river on boards like 10-4-k-6-2 when you have qq or better AK and they have A-10 or q-10. Usually weak tight players would call a bet then raise in a big way with a k-10 2 pair or even top pair and call down any weak pair it's consistent to their nature.
 
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What happens is you limp and then don't win a monster. And by not raising you don't isolate worse players. When you don't raise you'll flop second best way more often than the nuts and then give away more of your money like a fish.

If you want to play 5c4c so bad, just make it 12$ like every other dude at the local card room destroying the 1/2 game
 
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Hello ,
I think limp is not a good game on poker , because if they will make raise 3BB,4BB or 5BB or more you should have to fold your hand , anyway depends of hand , and situation.
I didn't like limp , and when I see such of players who like to limp , I always trying to raise against them.
Thanks :)
 
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I basically never open limp in a live 1/2 game. Sometimes i will limp behind after others have limped in. I will do this with hands like small pocket pairs 22-66 and small suited connectors. You can win a huge pot with this hands if you hit the right flop and just dump them if you miss.
 
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Hands that are okay to limp in with (if you think the table is loose passive and will not exploit you by squeezing you out):
- Low suited connectors (32s-T9s)
- Low suited one-gappers (75s-J9s)
- Low suited Aces (A2s-A9s)
- Low pocket pairs (22-77)

If you're limping in with anything else, then you have a huge leak in your game which needs fixing.
 
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I basically never open limp in a live 1/2 game. Sometimes i will limp behind after others have limped in. I will do this with hands like small pocket pairs 22-66 and small suited connectors. You can win a huge pot with this hands if you hit the right flop and just dump them if you miss.

agree completely, but there i always exceptions. i had a terrific night with a uper tight BB to my left who let me steal like 90% so i raised atc from late and sb.
 
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