re: Poker & Never fold AA or KK, never slow play them either?
Originally Posted by NoWuckingFurries
Hello, I'm new here so please be gentle!
In this thread (http://www.cardschat.com/f11/what-situation-were-you-when-you-fold-your-aa-kk-102559/) SICKO saidI'm fairly sure that there are some situations in which we should fold KK or AA, so I'm really cautious about people using the word "never" in that context, and obviously also cautious about people who type all in capitals anyway
Do you guys agree that we should never slow play AA? I was under the impression that we would use different tactics in different situations, but I've only been playing about six weeks so what do I know? Under what circumstances would you slow play AA, if ever?
If you could give some examples of when you have folded AA or KK that would be really useful too. I have folded both AA and KK after the river when I ended up with just AA or KK and I was fairly sure that someone had a flush - should I have called anyway?
6 Weeks ???? Perhaps you could expand on that a bit, if only for our interest. Is that 6 weeks in total and you are truly a beginner, or 6 weeks online, after years and years of playing live?
You write well, and along with you stating you have folded AA and KK both because the situation was right to do so, you seem to show some good poker savvy. Trust us, there are folks who after years just can't seem to fold AA.
Preflop, the only reasonably good argument for folding either is one made about ICM, and bubble play. It is a very esoteric theory. Other than that the only good logic for having folded AA or KK preflop is that you had the 'away' button checked and were either unloading or reloading beer
The message you should get from the replies here is that there is only one 'never' in poker, and that would be along the lines of 'never' use never'. Same with always.
There are times to slowplay both. I can imagine and have slowplayed AA. Limped pot with 4 or 5 limpers, several who have shown no respect for raises. So it wouldn't matter if I raised or not. My logic might go along the lines of let them build a big pot, and see what happens. If the flop shows uncoordinated, then I will call any bet. With many players still in a pot like this, it is likely someone would claim TPGK (top pair, good kicker) and fire at this pot, someone flopping 2 pair is not out of the question. So there is jeopardy about sticking around here. If the board pairs, trips are possible. In the glorious situation where a rainbow, non draw flop gives me trips, slow play almost demands itself. You can only hope someone hit 2 pair. Better even would be that someone else hit trips. You might even find a fish willing to gamble on a runner runner turn/river, partly because it will be hard to find a turn card on an uncoordinated flop, that doesn't create some sort of coordination on the board (many folks can not give up a gutshot).
Bottom line is that if you slow play AA or KK, and can keep your cool, giving up on them is much easier than if you had started off aggressively and got that same handful of callers. But most of the time starting out aggressively will be the much better choice.