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Hi everyone,
I'm new in the online playing, had some experience playing live but nothing serious. So I run into the short stack strategy on some site, and it looked interesting to me. After reading lot of material I realized that this system makes more money on 6 max game and that you can build up bankroll faster. Also game is more interesting because of the more hands per hour.
On the other hand there are problems of defending blinds, I pay them much more often.But I would say that my main problem is that I cant find the way for other players to folow me when I get monster hands, It's getting to be a bit frustrating There are some other leeks but I can't find obviously, otherwise I would'nt be asking for help:)
I try to play on micro and small blinds, up to nl50, but even after 30K hands I couldn't go up, even almost always down.
As I said I play 6max with full ring strategy that I try to modify based on some minor experience(30K) and lot of material that i read online. It looks like this:

Early position(EA and MD):
TT+, AK

Middle position(CO and BTN):
88+, AJ+, A10s, KQs

Late position(blinds):
22+, A7s+, A10+, KQ,KJ,K10s, QJs

If no one have raised I raise regular 4xBB+1BB for every limper

With JJ+, AK, AQ I limp or check on BB ( I saw that I cant use these monsters otherswise, people are fold to often if I raise even 2xBB)

1 player raised before me(also 1 raise 1 call) I go all in with JJ+, AK,AQ
2 players raised before me I go all in with AA, KK
Reraise I go all in with TT+, AK, AQ

On the late position I just limp or check with 22+, from 88 regular 4xBB.

On the flop I'm waiting top pair, overpair>, then I raise 66% of the pot, or all in if someone raise.
If I dont hit anything on flop I go all in with JJ+, AK,AQ


Thats about it, I'would realy appreciate any advice on improving my system. Thank you
 
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kiki posada said:
Hi everyone,
I'm new in the online playing, had some experience playing live but nothing serious. So I run into the short stack strategy on some site, and it looked interesting to me. After reading lot of material I realized that this system makes more money on 6 max game and that you can build up bankroll faster. Also game is more interesting because of the more hands per hour.
On the other hand there are problems of defending blinds, I pay them much more often.But I would say that my main problem is that I cant find the way for other players to folow me when I get monster hands, It's getting to be a bit frustrating There are some other leeks but I can't find obviously, otherwise I would'nt be asking for help:)
I try to play on micro and small blinds, up to nl50, but even after 30K hands I couldn't go up, even almost always down.
As I said I play 6max with full ring strategy that I try to modify based on some minor experience(30K) and lot of material that i read online. It looks like this:

Early position(EA and MD):
TT+, AK

Middle position(CO and BTN):
88+, AJ+, A10s, KQs

Late position(blinds):
22+, A7s+, A10+, KQ,KJ,K10s, QJs

If no one have raised I raise regular 4xBB+1BB for every limper

With JJ+, AK, AQ I limp or check on BB ( I saw that I cant use these monsters otherswise, people are fold to often if I raise even 2xBB)

1 player raised before me(also 1 raise 1 call) I go all in with JJ+, AK,AQ
2 players raised before me I go all in with AA, KK
Reraise I go all in with TT+, AK, AQ

On the late position I just limp or check with 22+, from 88 regular 4xBB.

On the flop I'm waiting top pair, overpair>, then I raise 66% of the pot, or all in if someone raise.
If I dont hit anything on flop I go all in with JJ+, AK,AQ


Thats about it, I'would realy appreciate any advice on improving my system. Thank you
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I don't think you should work off of a chart like that. If only because there is a need to adapt your play to the syle of game/player that your playing against. You need to have different requirements, from different positions, against different types of player.


"With JJ+, AK, AQ I limp or check on BB ( I saw that I cant use these monsters otherswise, people are fold to often if I raise even 2xBB)"

I don't like that^ at all. Your probably not getting value from your good hands if you play them that passively.

All in all I think your being to formula reliant. If you keep doing the same thing over and over then the good players will catch on fairly fast.
 
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Id say your falling into predictable patterns which over time an observant player will use to exploit your tendancies..
 
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Got to do more than play just your cards.
 
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Also about good players reading what I'm doing, I change table as soon I see that people don't wanna play with me and after every show down, win or lose. I also don't think that on so small blinds there are lot of good players, otherwise they would't be playing so low.
It would be great if someone based on personal sss experience can tell me how low can u go folowing some sss system? I mean I'ts normal to lose, but thats why system exist, that after playing long enough u go up,right?
I'm also trying to adapt playing time, so I play when and where there are more loose and unexperienced players-fish.
Maybe I'm wrong, I'll be more than happy to accept every advise possible.
Thank's.
 
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I'm a little confused. Are you asking about shortstack strategy in a 6max setting?

First, how much are you buying in for? If you're buying in for more than 20bb's, you're not playing ss.

Second, other than UTG and MP (your position classifications are incorrect fwiw), the key to ss strategy isn't your cards, it's what your opponents are likely to be holding and how your cards hold up against their range(s).

Third, the variance associated w ss play is skyhigh - it is NOT considered a good way to build a bankroll.

The key to ss strategy is stealing by putting pressure on bigger stacks to make decisions before they're ready to, and when your hand matches favorably against their range. You're looking to 3bet alot when you're matched well, and shoving all in pf and on the flop as much as possible. A table full of nits is not a bad thing for a ss, since they'll fold to your aggression, allowing you to pick off their opening bets and blinds.

Good ss's don't make anywhere near as much money (BB/100) as good normal stack players - if you can make 2BB/100 at 100nl as a ss, you're doing very well (a good normal stack player is making 3-4BB/100, very good/great players make more).

Note that many players here (myself included) dislike this strategy quite a bit; those of us who understand the mechanics are unlikely to provide much more help than what I've given here (and I wouldn't be surprised nor unhappy to get flamed here for it). You can search the site for other discussions of ss strategy, there was a very long (and bitter) thread a few months ago.
 
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