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New to this so please bare with me. Was in 1/2 live cash game yesterday. I've been playing here for almost a month now. Been keeping track of my winnings and my losses. I've been reading a lot and trying to apply what I read into my game. The table has some pretty decent players but mostly loose/passive. There are some people there in which its easy to make money from. I want to get better at this game and eventually make some money on the side. I enjoy this game a lot. I'm pretty patient and I'm learning to pick my spots and try to play position a lot. I observe the table and I'm learning how to take my time and think, putting my opponents on ranges etc etc when its my turn to act post flop. Ok here's the scenario. I know I messed up here but this time I'm going to admit that I got impatient and a little frustrated. I just need hard constructive criticism. You could even tell me that I suck, as long as you give me some advice as to how to get better.

The night was up and down for me. Folding to other people when they had the nuts and I had a straight etc. They would be surprised as to why I folded instead of calling and paying them off. The hand would even get confirmed because they would show after. Anyway, I was getting frustrated. One guy kept raising preflop $6. So I decided to play back at him in the BB. I had 8h4h lol. I reraised to $14. I had reraised before like this with a strong hand and took it down on the flop. So I figured they were paying attention, bad timing. UTG calls, the original raiser calls as well and the button calls as well. Everyone else folds including the SM.

Flop comes out Kh 3h 8c. I had about $105 left. I bet $15, UTG reraises to $55 altogether. Button moves all in with his remaining $90. I put both of them on Kings. Me being frustrated and wanting to gamble, I pushed all in as well. Turns out they both had Kings. AK and KQ. My hand didnt improve. I kicked myself after I left for making a move like that. I'm pretty down. Any advice on not making plays like this? Again this is my second post, I'm new here. Please help lol
 
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Well this is the reason you let "trouble hands" go - they just get you in more trouble. Not really a trouble hand, but looks like you need to add suited cards to your trouble hands list. You ended up digging a deeper hole for SIX DOLLARS. Wanting to get that 6 bucks cost you about $120. Not beating you up but you need to let it sink in that this what started the whole mess. We can talk about each street but the truth is every journey begins with the first step and your first step took you into the creepy forbidden forest. 84s for 6 dollars??? Was it that guy in particular or were you just bored. Shoving at that point on the flop was not mathematically incorrect - but you should not have even got to that point except for that first step. How to correct that lies understanding trouble hands and understanding why you did it. Was it to teach that guy a lesson? You are not there to give lessons. Was it boredom? You are not there to be entertained (are you?). Was it to gamble? You are not there to gamble but to make sound decisions. Hope this helps just a little.
 
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Playing poker correctly, is making smart decisions time and time again.

Even if this guy keeps raising you to $6, you need to make the right play. You can't let yourself become frustrated. Poker is not played with emotions. Do not let emotions cloud your decisions. It was 4-8s out of position, not even worth calling the $6 raise.

Him raising you is not a "challenge". He is not raising to pick on you. And if he was, you make yourself an easy target, playing such awful starting hands OOP. Both of your opponents had much better cards than you, and therefore called your 3-bet.

Live poker requires alot of patience and control. 3-betting OOP with 4-8s is not advised (even if you are getting frustrated). Players who have the patience and control to make profitable decisions, will profit in the long term. If you can avoid costly mistakes like this one, you will be on the right track.

These players at live $1/$2 tables are some of the worst players ever. Simple ABC poker will profit most times. But it can become boring and frustrating only seeing 25-30 hands/hour. But these players are so bad, they will still give you action, even if you fold for an hour straight.

Just remember, it is a cash game. You are not going to blind out. Patience is important. The sooner you realize this - and stop playing bingo like the rest of the $1/$2 fools - the better.

One of the biggest leaks in poker has to be seeing too many flops. Then you get into trouble chasing flushes and straights, and ship your chips to someone else. All of this can be minimized by choosing good starting hands and using position to your advantage.

You (OP) said in your post, "I'm learning to pick my spots and try to play position alot."

Are you? It seems many people claim they understand position. I don't think they really get it. I will spell it out for you, and I am not trying to be a jerk.

Position is so important, I can not stress it enough. Do not get into a battle OOP with 8-4s. Postion is everything. Do not play out of postion without really good cards.
 
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also you said - "So I figured they were paying attention..."

Don't assume that at $1-2 - most are not - they are just waiting for a hand.
 
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Making a move and or bluffing is something I feel you should not do often, the preflop move i can understand and even the continuation, but calling off the stack is unforgivable imo. The fact that you got raised and reraised means you are behind about as close to 100% of the time as you can get, fold forget the small loss and move on playing your game.
 
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Yeah preflop was iffy, but you flopped sooo much equity, and with those odds... I've not worked it out exactly, but I can tell you it wasn't that big of a deal gambol wise.
 
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Yeah preflop was iffy, but you flopped sooo much equity, and with those odds... I've not worked it out exactly, but I can tell you it wasn't that big of a deal gambol wise.

Yeah after the flop, OP was hooked. Not a horrible move postflop.

But the question I ask is this: Why even get into spots like this OOP with rags? Perhaps I am just a nit, but you will NEVER ever see me calling a raise, or 3-betting OOP with 8-4 suited or not. It is a trouble hand. I personally would wait for much better spots to put my money into the pot.

And whether this is results oriented or not, it ended up costing OP money, and was a "trouble hand" just as I stated above.

This is all my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt. I am not trying to be argumentative.
 
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I'm pretty down. Any advice on not making plays like this? Again this is my second post, I'm new here. Please help lol

I think in terms of "teachable moments." You are human, which means you will, at times, act in a way that you should objectively know is NOT the way to go. You already know that there was emotion behind playing that hand that led you to make a poor decision.

Think about how you were feeling when you pushed this hand. Think about why you were getting frustrated with this other player.

Remember that and recognize those feelings, so that when they happen again, you will know that this is a sign for you to back off, take a deep breath, a do what you know is best.

Hard? You bet. Getting good at poker is not just knowing how to play the cards, play the position, and play the other players. It is, in large part, knowing when you are on tilt and working to keep that from negatively influencing your game.
 
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Yeah preflop was iffy, but you flopped sooo much equity, and with those odds... I've not worked it out exactly, but I can tell you it wasn't that big of a deal gambol wise.

IFFY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 
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You outleveled yourself if you think they even consider what you might have when you 3bet after being so tight for so long.

When you start thinking about what they think you have, you're playing lvl 3 poker...which is destroyed by level 1 poker where most live 200 nl fish are at.

Play lvl 2 against these guys, or lvl 1 when dude is obviously drunk.
 
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Stop making idiotic stands OOP.

On flop you should lead more and call it off without a thought or CRAI while you have the equity of having 2 cards to come.

A miniature lead like that looks like what it was...an attempt to get a cheap turn card, and any raise they make pot sticks them hard to the pot so a 3 bet will never get any F-EQUITY.


OTOH, if you check and someone makes a normal sized lead (48 in pot...so lets say 25) that leaves you some room to force a fold by raising for 80 more.

I am NOT saying IN THIS CASE you would get one, but if there was only a guy with KJ/KQ in there with you...or 9s/10s/Js then you are probably getting a fold. Also a naked non-nut FD is folding most probably.
 
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Didn't expect this many replies. Thanks for the criticism and advice. I guess I was trying to "teach" him a lesson, and I was also trying to gamble and get a little creative. Totally backfired on me. I made a mistake but I def don't want to make this mistake again especially OOP. I was also getting good cards before this and had people calling my raises with A rag. Nothing was hitting for me, and this frustrated me as well. I'm usually patient though, I guess I'm not so patient after all haha. I really want to get better and eventually start winning more. I'm going back today but I could only do $100. I want to slowly build a roll but all I could do is $100 at a time. There's days where I can do a little more. I know playing ABC poker does it at this level, but it gets a little annoying when others are gambling and hitting and racking up off of ridiculous hands. I'm going back today, planning on it. I'm adding suited cards to my trouble hands list. Any advice for tonight with only $100? Thanks again.
 
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