The moving up checksheet, any opinions?

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Ok so I am looking to move up. I might as well have a punt at it, would love to make a little extra cash, and I am struggling to get motivated to grind 4nl right now, I think having been there is causing this. Of course I have no issue with going back there, should my next plan not go as I hope it will.

Have been playing 4nl for a good while, started with £25 (lost it once) I am now at about £1240 having withdrawn about £1500 along the way.

I have noticed 10nl is a total nit fest pretty much 24/7 and am not that good or comfortable at using a more aggro game to beat nits.

I have played a bit, and observed a lot of 20nl and the tables are so much looser, it seems that the people who want to gamble play here.

I have been thinking about my route to beating 20nl long term, below is the list I have come up with, I have put starts near a couple as I think they are the most important.

I will be starting by playing 2 tables.


Avoid confrontations (or at least oop) with winning regs until I am comfortable at this level.

Table select, always check the lobby to see if there are even softer tables

Seat select, ie whenever possible move seats to get position on weak players that I think I can own.

Play very tight and ABC as I think this style works vs loose gamblers.

Start my own tables more often, as regs are usually seated and on waiting lists for long periods of time so dont notice, and the rec players often want to get seated asap without waiting)

Position is everything *

Dont bluff, as people just dont use the fold button

Therefore we make money value betting

Only play when mentally/physically ready (ie not tired or stressed/angry) *

Only play when there are no distractions (The missus is totally
incapable of being quiet for more than about 1 minute) *

Play it for the long term, short term variance doesnt matter

Only loosen up on button, but shut down if I have no equity post flop

Use the extra time from playing less tables to make more detailed notes

Watch more training videos and try to understand the points raised

Stop looking at my balance
 
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You sound like a nit and might get crushed

"Dont bluff, as people just dont use the fold button"

This is not really true as you move up, more people will fold you just need to find out who they are and exploit that.
 
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This goes far beyond even my BRM... don't worry about chklists, do your best and you will win.
 
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"I have noticed 10nl is a total nit fest pretty much 24/7 and am not that good or comfortable at using a more aggro game to beat nits."

There is no way I would skip that level. You are looking for results by going to 20NL. You are not looking to work on your game and improve by skipping a level of players you need to be able to beat consistently. That's just my take, but then again, I'm not an expert.
 
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You sound like a nit and might get crushed

I am a tag/nit at 20nl, cant deny it.

I agree I would get crushed by good thinking TAG and LAG players. Having put in about 25-30 hours watching/playing 20nl I can honestly say the number of good TAG/LAGs can be counted on one hand. Admittedly the same is true for 10nl, but 10nl is just a load of nits passing money between eachother.

Ok, I didnt mean never bluff, but save it for those times when I am strongly confident that villain will fold. Rather than trying to rep a hand and push a calling station off top pair.
 
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"I have noticed 10nl is a total nit fest pretty much 24/7 and am not that good or comfortable at using a more aggro game to beat nits."

There is no way I would skip that level. You are looking for results by going to 20NL. You are not looking to work on your game and improve by skipping a level of players you need to be able to beat consistently. That's just my take, but then again, I'm not an expert.

Surely a decision to play against players should be based on what type of game is most +ve for me.

I do better and am more comfortable vs loose spewy players rather than trying to run over nits, why should I try and beat 10nl for the sake of it?

You are wrong when you say I am not looking to work on my game, I have purchased and read several books, I have spent a lot of time watching training vids on youtube and deuces cracked. What I am looking to do is continue to develop this winning strategy and implement it into a game where it will work, rather than a game where it will not (or at least not as well).
 
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Anyway, moving on, rather than letting this thead go down the "should you ever skip levels" route.

Could anybody offer advice on moving up, as originally asked?
 
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Except the first one they all look like things you should be doing/thinking about all the time at any level, not necessarily when preparing to move up. Are you still playing on Sky? I find it hard to believe that 10nl is hugely more nitty than 4nl, what is this based on? My advice would be don't change your game and don't make too big a deal out of moving up mentally, it's still micro poker. Good luck with it!
 
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Hey buddy, good to hear from you.

I am indeed on Sky.

Yeah, I cant really explain it, but it is. I think the winning players who have been about at 4nl take it (10nl) as the next step up. But as most of them are playing the same tight game they just all cancel each other out.

20nl seems to have way more recreational players or just plain gamblers playing loose. Plus of course as they are not always long term poker players, they will often get erratic and bored leading them to make more mistakes than you would get at 10nl. In fact being honest, it is not me outplaying people at 20nl on the whole, often my biggest pots have come from players just making mistakes that a semi competent reg would never make.

Granted I have seen a couple of players that are technically superior to the 10nl crowd, but they are few and far between.

Its kind of like when a player moans about not being able to beat the bad players and somebody replies jokingly 'move up to where they respect your raises'. I am skipping 10nl and moving to 20nl; where they don't respect my raises.

;)

Anyway, how is poker treating you these days?
 
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Why not just skip 10nl then? You have 62 buyins for 20nl so no problem bankroll wise. At least give it a 10-15 bi shot IMO
 
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