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All hands are 1/2NL (200NL)
Live cash game. 10 players.
These hands occurred in the first 2 orbits, so no deep reads available.
Stacks are about $150 on average.
Everyone is generally playing tight at this table.
Not very many pre-flop raises, and big bets mean they have the nuts.


Question 1:
Let's say you're OTB and get 69o.
There are 7 limpers ahead of you.
Generally speaking, is there a standard action here?
Should you fold, limp, or raise?
Just looking for "It depends, but generally, most people would do X in this spot"


Question 2:
Let's say you're late position and get pocket 3's.
There are 6 limpers ahead of you.
Generally speaking, with low PP's, and no one has raised (all limpers) should you fold, limp, or raise?
Just looking for "It depends, but generally, most people would do X in this spot"
(Usually, if you limp, you'll get overcards on the flop, someone bets, and you fold the 3's)


Question 3:
I get AQ in middle position.
I make it $6. (Too little?)
V1 raises $25.
There are 2 other callers before me. (Pot is now $75)
I called for $20 more.
I miss the flop, and checks. Checks all around.
Turn card comes, someone bets $70, and I fold.
Did I misplay this hand in some general way? Too passive?
Just looking for "It depends, but generally, most people would do X in this spot"


Question 4:
I get AK in late position.
V raises to $12 and gets 2 callers, including myself.
Flop comes 4 8 J
V1 bets $15 (with Jx)
V2 calls (with AQ)
Hero folds.
Turn comes Ace.
Did I misplay this hand in some general way? Too passive?
Just looking for "It depends, but generally, most people would do X in this spot"
 
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1 easy fold with that many limpers the blinds have a nice price to stick a hefty raise in and you can't call.even if you get to see a flop you are gonna pretty much hate evry flop you see with that many people multiway.

2. a % of time i'd limp in and set mine , rest of time i'd stick a pot sized raise in and hopefully take down the dead money and if not we have innitiative and position and probably take it down with a cbet. % vary according to how i'd seen table react to bnig raises with many limpers

3. how about some reads on the villains , Theres a nice pot there to 4bet and take down and we have card strength and initiative if they continue


4. I certainly ain't calling with AK after a raiser and two callers. I'm 3betting for value and getting it in if reraised , cbetting the flop , and the turn and looking to get stacks in
 
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1. Automatic fold.
2. Easy call. Its cheap.
If overcards, it depends on pot odds.
3. Whats your read on table dynamics? Your raise I think is inappropriate.
4. I think calling here is bad. You either reraise or fold.
 
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1) Ok, so with a lot of people playing, this is actually bad, not good. Bad b/c more odds someone has you beat. Only time it's good is when you flop a monster like trips or boat. But that is rare, and most of the time, you're just beat, so don't bother limping in for the $2, even when in position?
 
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Can someone explain the concepts and logic of why you want to re-raise instead of just call?

Do I have this right? If you call, you have to hit the flop to win.

If you 3-bet, you might get everyone to fold (unlikely, b/c V raised with a good hand, and no one folds pre-flop in 1/2NL)
But, in theory, you might get everyone to fold to a strong 3-bet.. Fold equity.

More often, you'll get some of the V's to fold, and you thin out the herd. Now, your AK type of hand becomes stronger.
Who stays in? Someone with 2 top cards, or some sort of pocket pair. Against pairs, head's up, it's a coin flip.
But, there is some dead money in the pot that makes the coin flip EV+.

Also, once you see the flop, if you're in position, and hte V checks, you C-bet when V misses the flop (most of the time)
The idea is NOT trying to set mine, or hit the flop, but take down the pot when V usually misses the flop?

Is that basically why you want to re-reraise instead of call?
 
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Can someone explain the concepts and logic of why you want to re-raise instead of just call?

Do I have this right? If you call, you have to hit the flop to win.

If you 3-bet, you might get everyone to fold (unlikely, b/c V raised with a good hand, and no one folds pre-flop in 1/2NL)
But, in theory, you might get everyone to fold to a strong 3-bet.. Fold equity.

More often, you'll get some of the V's to fold, and you thin out the herd. Now, your AK type of hand becomes stronger.
Who stays in? Someone with 2 top cards, or some sort of pocket pair. Against pairs, head's up, it's a coin flip.
But, there is some dead money in the pot that makes the coin flip EV+.

Also, once you see the flop, if you're in position, and hte V checks, you C-bet when V misses the flop (most of the time)
The idea is NOT trying to set mine, or hit the flop, but take down the pot when V usually misses the flop?

Is that basically why you want to re-reraise instead of call?

Basically yes. There is some argument that microstakes don't fold enough anyway to bother with seizing initiatives preflop and then cbetting. Conversely, these guys advocate calling a super wide range and then going bonkers when you hit 2pair+. Since you have been playing with a VPIP/PFR of say 40/6, no one will respect your call and raises and you'll get paid handsomely by TPTK.

Of course this is problematic since we hit 2pair+ like 2percent of the time and even then 2 pair are somewhat prone to get cracked or counterfeited,
Especially the smaller 2 pairs. So can you now also see why people raise to 3bb? Trying to spike anything by playing passively preflop will get you beaten up quite fast.
 
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1 fold
2 call
3 fold to 3bet
4 3bet pre. As played fold on flop is good
 
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