Min Raising preflop at cash tables? Is it correct sometimes?

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So heres the situation. I had just finished my grind on Carbon and was chatting with a mate who started up 1 table of 25nl 6max cash. I was tired and keen to watch him play and discuss strategy spots etc. He picked up A2o on the button and min raised to $0.50. Once I saw this it looked completely weird to me, I then asked him why he min raised, from what ive learned preflop raise sizing on a cash table should be at least 3xBB-4xBB because well, your 100bbs deep and theres room for postflop play and you're not in survival mode at all, nor do you want the blinds calling you too wide and you're unable to range them. We both debated over his play of min raising and he made some decent points. however I still disagreed. I'm no cash expert, i play 99% tourneys/sngs and havent played cash on a regular basis since before black friday hit. But does raising 2x on a cash table in any spot ever make sense? Does it matter on what stakes you're playing between pfr sizing? From my perspective it doesnt make sense at all to be min raising in any spot on a cash table 100bbs deep!
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blinds less likely to call and more likely to 3bet to defend or fold. min raise loses the least when 3bet with hands that can't continue vs a 3bet and wins the same amount when blinds fold. if you min raise your trash you should be minraising your premiums as well to avoid giving bet sizing tells to the regs.
Once blinds start 3betting the smaller steal size makes no difference with your premiumsas you can 4bet for value or call and make them play a 3bet hand OOP and get a cbet out of them.
 
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blinds less likely to call and more likely to 3bet to defend or fold. min raise loses the least when 3bet with hands that can't continue vs a 3bet and wins the same amount when blinds fold. if you min raise your trash you should be minraising your premiums as well to avoid giving bet sizing tells to the regs.
Once blinds start 3betting the smaller steal size makes no difference with your premiumsas you can 4bet for value or call and make them play a 3bet hand OOP and get a cbet out of them.
Definitely agree to consistent raise sizing no matter your hand, however my mate usually raises a lot of different sizes, over the session I saw him go anywhere from 2x, to 2.6x however he never went over 3xBB for some reason that I couldn't understand. Even if your mixing up your raise sizing unless you can make it completely random and remember to, one mistake can lead to you being exploited, that's why I'm for just raising the exact same amount each time. There's tons of reasons why each makes sense, however raising 2-2.5xbb at a cash table just says weakness to me and puts you in multiway spots often. He hadn't been at the table for more than just 10 hands during this spot, so no one had any reads on him I reckon.
 
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It generally means suited connectors, Ax, or small PP.

However, some guys are known to raise premium hands QQ+ just 2BB too.
 
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It generally means suited connectors, Ax, or small PP.

However, some guys are known to raise premium hands QQ+ just 2BB too.

Min raising premiums at the micros seems pretty horrible.



Min raising is just asking people to 3bet wider imo and its seems unnecessary to be doing this at the micros.

Would like to know reasons why people do this though?
 
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Like all things poker, it depends. If the blinds are very tight and don't three bet often, then there is no reason not to min bet. I haven't found many profitable games where the blinds cooperate. As for 3 to 4 times opening, I think there is a good case for NOT using 4X in most case. You risk to much to win the blinds and wind up playing big pots unless you fold to often to 3-bets.
 
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What about something like small ball? Play with a wider range of hands and consistently bet small. See the flop for cheap. If you hit, you hit and can win big. If you lose, you fold and lose only 2 bb
 
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honestly..i read all the posts on cash games and...well....lets just say it is all(mostly)good advice and nice to hear all the variations out there BUT i just cant win.
I slow play a hand AA and lose.I raise min and lose...i raise a lot and every one folds and i win the blinds.
I am a craaaaap player..i just realised.No amount of reading learning or practice helps.I think i am going to take up solitaire hahaha
 
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