Micros are unbeatable

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Really starting to beleive that Donks can make more money on the micros then a normal player who understands the game. Im sick of getting called and beaten with nothing but trash cards that should of been in the muck so long ago. **** you micros. And if anyone can explain how to actually enjoy playing them im all ears.
 
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If you cant beat calling station donks that play weak starting hands then you either have some serious flaws in your own game, or you aren't adjusting your play vs them.
 
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Living proof that they're real beatable. I cleared them from $12.50 starting at 2nl starting about june this year and now I'm playing 50 and 100nl so yeah.
 
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stakes get harder as you move up. you really need to address your understanding of the game and your mindset
 
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You don't understand the game if you can't beat the micros. I think you need to do a lot more studying of the game. Value bet more, and bluff less. If you get reraised all in against a passive fish then your TPTK is no good etc.
 
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depends how long you have been playing tbh.....if you are only learning the game then you're not going to be killing it anytime soon......if on the other hand you know what you are doing and are well versed in the game, you should be smashing it at that level, and if not theres something wrong
 
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Jackle, have you read any books on how to beat the micros? Whenever Im tilted cause I lose a big pot cause of what I believe is poor play then I just read some more strategy on how to beat the micros. But ya its def beatable you just gotta have discipline when to fold I think. I kind of use the idea that like "everything is what it seems" at 2nl unless is like some spewy 75/75/5 who constantly shows upwith nothing. But what I mean by "everything is what it seems" is like if villain shows aggression through a bet or raise more likely than not he is going to show a strong hand.
 
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Don't go any further than semi-bluffing at 2NL. If you get called and hit your hand, you're probably gonna get paid off; and if you miss it's an easy fold.

I've seen a lot of people fire one bluff, and then think they have to fire again on the turn and river. Just don't do it to begin with, unless C-Betting.

Try switching between FR and 6-max, people have different preferences. I'm quite aggressive, so prefer short-handed games.

Just bet for value when you hit, and if they shove on the river, only call with the near nuts.
 
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First of all, I don't know if you have read up on tips and strategy for micro stakes. I'm playing 5nl and doing quite well so far. I was more of a tourney player, but I decided to start playing cash. I read up on the game from here, and other cash strategy articles.

So if you haven't done that I think you should check those articles out on here and the rest of the web. Also have patience, wait for your great cards in position. Get your money in good at the right time, and fold when you see them raising. Watch the players, and adjust to their play. I've learned when they are calling and then raising you in micros they most likely have you beat so it's wise to just fold the hand. Anyways GL!
 
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Yeah, pretty much everything as stated above.

And, general statements/theories are one thing, but it comes down to how well you actually follow the rules in practice. Post some hands in the hand analysis section and some of those who have moved up can help.
 
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Really starting to beleive that Donks can make more money on the micros then a normal player who understands the game. Im sick of getting called and beaten with nothing but trash cards that should of been in the muck so long ago. **** you micros. And if anyone can explain how to actually enjoy playing them im all ears.

Running bad happens! Have you considered playing in some different games/sites? Trust me, playing bad players is what you need to be doing, any other strategy is simply wrong.
 
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I know its beatable and all that, im just running bad. My AK not hitting and when i have a hand someone seems to always have a better one. Just running bad. And i know im a decent player. alot to learn but im i can beat these players. Just running bad and feeling shitty haha.
 
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Didnt really need the comments telling me how terrible my game is.
 
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They said it because from the your statements you clearly don't understand the game. Trust me, you're not good.

But you can always get better.
 
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They said it because from the your statements you clearly don't understand the game. Trust me, you're not good.

But you can always get better.

haha i was abit tilted yesterday and felt like telling someone. I dont know how my statement explains to you in a few short sentences that i am not a good player? Please explain that? And today i got up 3BI playing one table so i went alright. But i am still really interested to know how running bad makes me a bad player?
 
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But i am still really interested to know how running bad makes me a bad player?

Just from the things you've said we can tell that you don't understand a lot of concepts that are important for winning at poker.

And today i got up 3BI playing one table so i went alright.

Lack of understanding of variance and believing short term results indicate a good or winning player.

Really starting to beleive that Donks can make more money on the micros then a normal player who understands the game.

You might have taken it back but this is obviously flawed. It shows you don't understand that you make money by opponents making mistakes. If bad players make the most mistakes then you will win more against them over the long term.

Im sick of getting called and beaten with nothing but trash cards that should of been in the muck so long ago.

This is a good thing, if they should have folded and didn't then you are playing better. Their mistakes lead to you winning more often than not.

My AK not hitting and when i have a hand someone seems to always have a better one.

How often does AK hit? It doesn't hit more than it does.

Just running bad. And i know im a decent player. alot to learn but im i can beat these players.

How do you know you can beat these games? I doubt you can right now but you're welcome to prove me wrong.

You don't understand variance, probabilities or hand ranges. You're very likely results orientated.


But you can always improve.
 
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haha ok this thread got blown out of proportion abit. Glad you find it so fun to nit pick through forums and people just having a sook over a few bad beats. But good work man glad you enjoyed this thread.
 
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haha ok this thread got blown out of proportion abit. Glad you find it so fun to nit pick through forums and people just having a sook over a few bad beats. But good work man glad you enjoyed this thread.

They're not nitpicking. They're trying to help. Turn your attitude around 180*. If you get uppity with them, they'll turn their back on you.

Don't expect free help to be delivered with caviar.

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You said you didn't need the comments, maybe you didn't but I was explaining why they said it. You asked how I knew just from some statements, I pointed out which statements led me and others to that conclusion. I'm not trying to be a dick or annoy you.

We all like to moan and that's fine, but what you were saying was based off misunderstanding more than anything else and that is what this forum tries to eliminate. If you understood the game better you wouldn't be complaining about what you were.

Believe it or not most people on this forum will be happy to help you.
 
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Confirmed 100% beatable also. What you are going through is variance, assuming you are playing a winning game. Donks hit draws and stuff sometimes. It is the nature of the game. In fact it is a beautiful thing because if they did't hit them, they wouldn't redeposit again and again.
 
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You said you didn't need the comments, maybe you didn't but I was explaining why they said it. You asked how I knew just from some statements, I pointed out which statements led me and others to that conclusion. I'm not trying to be a dick or annoy you.

We all like to moan and that's fine, but what you were saying was based off misunderstanding more than anything else and that is what this forum tries to eliminate. If you understood the game better you wouldn't be complaining about what you were.

Believe it or not most people on this forum will be happy to help you.

What Chippy said x 1,000,000. He was quite concise and straightforward in what he said - this forum is full of some of the nicest people on the internet. Go elsewhere and you will likely be torn apart without a fair explanation, but all Chippy did was answer your questions as best he could.

While you might be running bad, you are less likely JUST running bad. We all have leaks, and if you're in the micros, odds are you have more than a few (or a few big ones).

Understanding and accepting variance is hands down one of the best ways to improve, as it will also help uncover other leaks you have (since you can look at your own play objectively, rather than copping out and saying "I'm just running bad").

Good luck.
 
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Not he needs it, but consider this coming from someone that's been on this forum for a long time, and I agree entirely with Chippy as well.


Google BlackRain as well; he's a coach and knows these micro stakes better than anyone.

Confirmed 100% beatable also. What you are going through is variance, assuming you are playing a winning game. Donks hit draws and stuff sometimes. It is the nature of the game. In fact it is a beautiful thing because if they did't hit them, they wouldn't redeposit again and again.
 
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It's beatable. Sometimes it gets extremely frustrating when luck goes against you, but if you keep your wits and don't spazz out, you'll be a winner.

I've had some incredible bad runs and screwjobs against me, but I still have a winning record every site I've played. Just don't try to overthink.

I've looked up the records of some of these mofos that've cleaned me out with 3 outters and BS like that, the worst of them have lost THOUSANDS of $ at 4NL. You would think they've know enough that they suck or need to change their game, but nope. The key is that stupid people don't know they are stupid. Someone has gotta been winning those thousands from them, no?

Be honest with yourself, if you can't beat THEM, maybe the prob is your game. You need to adjust.
 
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