Micro Stakes vs Low Stakes?

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Please help me understand something.

I do very well at the $0.25/0.50, $0.50/1.00, and $1.00/2.00 stakes. However if I try to play micro stakes like $0.01/0.02 or $0.05/0.10 I never win. It's like I'm just throwing money at all of the terrible players.

If the micro stakes are supposed to have more fish and worse players, then why is it that I'm constantly pummeled into the ground by all of these "terrible" players? I move up the stakes though and everything is fine.

It's obnoxious. Does anyone else experience something similar?
 
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Without seeing a video of you at microstakes its hard to tell. Mircos is all about betting for value as much as you can and keeping bluffing to a minimum.

But if you can beat 200nl, I wouldnt be too fussed about the microstakes.
 
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Me too..i fell you kekule...I can't beat micro stakes but when i played higher stakes everything goes well..
 
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Please help me understand something.

I do very well at the $0.25/0.50, $0.50/1.00, and $1.00/2.00 stakes. However if I try to play micro stakes like $0.01/0.02 or $0.05/0.10 I never win. It's like I'm just throwing money at all of the terrible players.

If the micro stakes are supposed to have more fish and worse players, then why is it that I'm constantly pummeled into the ground by all of these "terrible" players? I move up the stakes though and everything is fine.

It's obnoxious. Does anyone else experience something similar?
The people on low stakes play very carefully and in micro stackes there are a lot of donks who play every hand and win. Maybe thats the problem
 
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micro stake players have a different mindset and priority, you can't play the same way there.

stick to the higher limits where your reads and advantage lie.

if you watched any of my videos .5/.10nl and up (playlist on utube), you will see I point out the differences.

good luck
 
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It's important to note that you must be "nitty" in microstake ring games. This is mainly because players are overly aggressive and usually play fit or fold level 1 type poker. As long as you adjust to your opponents ranges, and play as a nit, you're all good my friend.
 
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Why does it matter seems to be a waste of your effort at this point
 
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Why does it matter seems to be a waste of your effort at this point

I suppose that is true. I was mainly doing this because I started playing on a couple of new sites that have freerolls. I really didn't want to deposit on these sites since I've been able to snake a few freerolls and get a small amount to start. I figured I'd work my way past the micros to the stakes I'm used to.

However, that plan keeps getting bashed in the face by crazy players. There are also a surprising number of slow player at the micros too. Check raises are all over the place.
 
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It doesn't make sense. This sounds like the classic "Microstakes doesn't respect my raises".

If you are beating low stakes you should be crushing microstakes over a large hand sample. Microstakes is pretty simple. Exploit, exploit, and exploit.

Valuetown calling stations. Slow play maniacs. Bet fold when nits raise. EZ mode
 
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haven't made much profit as of yet. but i have played 50k hands of break even poker on the cash tables so far and i have to agree that i find low stakes to be more profitable than micro stakes.
 
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Can we see some hand histories posted? I'm still trying to figure out how you win at low stakes but not micro.
 
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As I see it, there is no point or value in playing 2NL, 5NL, 10NL cash games. There are too many limpers in every pot and even if you make it 10x they will still call with hands like Q9o. Multi way pots with premium hands becomes very dangerous with a strong possibility vs flopped two pair etc

With a lot of calling stations, your ability to steal and bluff is very limited

I would stick to 25NL +

10NL and below is very much for recreational players who just play for fun/value
 
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6 ways to win more at micro limits in poker.

6 ways to win more at micro limits in poker.
1. Reduce the number of tables.
By reducing the number of tables that you play at the same time, you will definitely increase your winrate.
2. Do more bets.
The old pre-flop raise, the cbet on the flop and the second barrel on the turn are still surprisingly working on most microlits.
3. Occupy advantageous positions at the poker table.
There is nothing more advantageous in poker than the place to the left of the weak player. You can isolate him on preflop and bluff against him on postflop.
4. More Value Betting
5. More bluffs
6. Take away the banks for which no one is fighting
Here are some tips for playing on micro limits, I found them on one poker site.
This is the advice of one professional who successfully wins at micro limits. Try to listen to his advice, and perhaps you will adjust your game.
 
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Isn't it possible that the high variance of small stakes is misleading you into thinking that you are beating small stakes? Winning $25 or $50 because of an all-in with AA, which is many times the buy-in at NL2, might lead you to believe that you are winning, when it could be attributed to luck instead.

I thought I was doing well at NL10, because of some lucky upswings (won $40 at some point), but then lost it all due to the relatively high variance. I never really learned how to play, since I wasn't even able to crush NL2.

So be careful into believing you can beat the higher stakes but not the lower stakes.
 
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Please help me understand something.

I do very well at the $0.25/0.50, $0.50/1.00, and $1.00/2.00 stakes. However if I try to play micro stakes like $0.01/0.02 or $0.05/0.10 I never win. It's like I'm just throwing money at all of the terrible players.

If the micro stakes are supposed to have more fish and worse players, then why is it that I'm constantly pummeled into the ground by all of these "terrible" players? I move up the stakes though and everything is fine.

It's obnoxious. Does anyone else experience something similar?

It looks like you are not doing the best like you do it in low stack because you think if you lose $2 or $10 you still can cover it with your bankroll immediately, so you are not aware of it. Maybe that's why you play badly at micro.
 
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I cannot explain it but would like to understand it. I would think you would be winning more at the micros. Maybe you have not played enough to get a true variance. I noticed that the OP was made over 2 years ago? Are you around to give us an update on changes since then?
 
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