PayMeh
Enthusiast
Silver Level
I need some help on these. I expected it would take a while to change gears and adjust to these so being down over two days doesn't concern me much. Part of this was unrealistic expectations. Going in I figured around 50 cents an hour at the .01/.02 tables. If I do the standard decent rate though I should only be at about 10-20 cents an hour. BTW I'm down like 4 bucks now, but I'm up about 2 dollars from my low point. So I've adjusted to the way people play there.
Here's the problem though. They're all nits. I've watched every table at those limits and they're all rocks. Every hand I've won since my low point has been from raising standard amount preflop and everyone folds, or being in position after a flop and flat bluffing with a pot sized bet. I haven't won one hand honestly. Even when I make a hand and give people correct odds to chase they fold.
I've tried limping in with premium hands just to get action. If I hit a good hand and make a 3/4 sized bet then I either only get the preflop limps, or someone has me beat with the nuts. So that 12 cent 3/4 pot bet that I lose from getting called takes me realistically an hour just to get back to where I was.
So two hands like this an hour and I'm losing money. I've done what I normally do and that is play the opposite of how the table is. So I've loosened up and started playing small ball. Any hand I want to play I raise 3-4xBB preflop then bet on the flop even if I miss. It works. It's a winning strategy, but its super risky since one hand could make you lose an hour worth of grinding or more not to mention table image.
What I'm asking is.. When being faced where all tables are super tight and no one wants to bet out unless they have the nuts, is it realistic to expect to win money over the long haul when good runs of cards generally net you so little even when slowplayed, and one hand with a miracle river for the villian every 200 hands puts you in the red??
I understand it's variance and that bad beats happen. In the long run you'll end up ahead. To be honest I'm not really bankrolled for this. I'm trying to not deposit any of my own money, and even though I'm playing the lowest limits, I only started with about 8.50 to work with and setting at around half that now.
BTW I was down 3 dollars from 2 hands. Holding nut flush in position and villian pushes all in to steal pot and then wins both times with runner runner full house. So in all actuallity I'm only down about 1.25 after 10 hours at the tables and should be up 1.75 instead of down any.
I know a run of bad luck will bankrupt me, but if that run doesn't happen or I recognize it when it comes and take a break, can my bankroll handle normal variance and is there anything I could be doing to maximize my hands more without taking huge risks to get sucked out on?
Here's the problem though. They're all nits. I've watched every table at those limits and they're all rocks. Every hand I've won since my low point has been from raising standard amount preflop and everyone folds, or being in position after a flop and flat bluffing with a pot sized bet. I haven't won one hand honestly. Even when I make a hand and give people correct odds to chase they fold.
I've tried limping in with premium hands just to get action. If I hit a good hand and make a 3/4 sized bet then I either only get the preflop limps, or someone has me beat with the nuts. So that 12 cent 3/4 pot bet that I lose from getting called takes me realistically an hour just to get back to where I was.
So two hands like this an hour and I'm losing money. I've done what I normally do and that is play the opposite of how the table is. So I've loosened up and started playing small ball. Any hand I want to play I raise 3-4xBB preflop then bet on the flop even if I miss. It works. It's a winning strategy, but its super risky since one hand could make you lose an hour worth of grinding or more not to mention table image.
What I'm asking is.. When being faced where all tables are super tight and no one wants to bet out unless they have the nuts, is it realistic to expect to win money over the long haul when good runs of cards generally net you so little even when slowplayed, and one hand with a miracle river for the villian every 200 hands puts you in the red??
I understand it's variance and that bad beats happen. In the long run you'll end up ahead. To be honest I'm not really bankrolled for this. I'm trying to not deposit any of my own money, and even though I'm playing the lowest limits, I only started with about 8.50 to work with and setting at around half that now.
BTW I was down 3 dollars from 2 hands. Holding nut flush in position and villian pushes all in to steal pot and then wins both times with runner runner full house. So in all actuallity I'm only down about 1.25 after 10 hours at the tables and should be up 1.75 instead of down any.
I know a run of bad luck will bankrupt me, but if that run doesn't happen or I recognize it when it comes and take a break, can my bankroll handle normal variance and is there anything I could be doing to maximize my hands more without taking huge risks to get sucked out on?