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Hello, I got tired of the variance in sngs so gave cg's another shot. The problem is I really don't know how to beat these levels; mostly 2NL
I have generally two playing styles which I tried here. Playing one table at once, as LAG (or trying to be one) which went alright for two days. Until I met some other loose canons and lost alot.
I also tried to play TAG, which I saw recommended at various sites. Let me give you an example why this style bothers me. Let's say I'm playing three tables. Starting out with 2dollar at each table. First of all, with a VPIP of 10-13% the blinds are sucking at you, no matter how small they are. The second problem I find is when I have like a ten cent profit at every table (so thirty cent in total) and I'm playing a preflop raised hand. The board comes, I don't hit and c-bet. It gets called. Now the profit that I basically made in an hour or so is pretty much all in the pot, so if I have to let it go I'm back to square one.
This last example I find very frustrating. Is this the way micro stakes just are? Or am I just a total fish?
Your advice is appreciated!
 
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Full ring, sorry forgot to mention.
 
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TAG is almost certainly the right style for a beginner micro player to adopt. There are so many fish at 2nl, it's a case of playing abc poker...wait for good hands and value bet them and don't bluff.

You want to be able to identify who the fish are and target them.

Steal blinds with a wide range from late position, you only need to do this once per orbit to avoid blind posting from draining your stack.

Try reading a book like Crushing the Microstakes by Blackrain to get you up to scratch with the basics. Lots more to say but that's a start.
 
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Ok great tips, so you're saying a c-bet when you've missed is also out of the question? I'm referring to the "don't bluff" part.
 
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Wasn't talking about cbets, they should be part of your game and you should cbet most flops, like 65-70% of the time.

By don't bluff I mean don't keep firing multiple streets with nothing and don't try and get fancy by bluff re-raising etc.
 
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Alright got ya, gonna look into that blackrain book!
 
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Played a couple hundred hands this weekend {4NL/FR}, and to me a key factor is the patience to wait for a good spot......
 
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What MM said.

Also if you're adventurous, baluga the ABC regs with some equity of course. But really, fish should be your main diet here.
 
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Sorry you just have a lot to learn. Poker is crazy and everything that can happen will. Just keep studying and playing. The small steps add up
 
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Wasn't talking about cbets, they should be part of your game and you should cbet most flops, like 65-70% of the time.

By don't bluff I mean don't keep firing multiple streets with nothing and don't try and get fancy by bluff re-raising etc.

Actually I have found that 2nd barrel works a lot of the time, many 2NL players like to call a flop cbet since it is so cheap.
 
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i am not sure about that!

Actually it does against certain fish.

Specifically I call them math fish.

These are the players you see who size their bet based on how many outs they have to the nuts or pair their two overs when they have initiative and pass them off as cbets.

For example they bet 1/3 pot when they have an FD and 1/5 when they have 2 overs.

These guys will fold quite handily to a decent sized 2nd barrel when they are on the defensive.

True that these type of fish are not common.
 
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The medium-loose passives fold to a tonne of double barrels. They float with so much crap but give a double barrel credit plenty of the time. I'll always be double barreling my draws vs these guys, they either fold the turn with the best hand and I win the pot right there or I win a much larger pot OTR if they call and I hit. These players rarely call two barrels and fold to the third. The turn is the primary street of decision for these players.
 
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Exactly.

But it also works the other way, if they have a weak draw they call the flop cbet in the hope that they will then get a free card on the turn and see the river super cheaply.

You know, the whole pot control thing that is being offered as advice in the "how to get raped by suckouts and wonder how the hell it keeps happening" school of poker :D

When 2nd barrel gets fired into them, they fold their bullshit gutshot/bottom pair quite often. If they don't, I make a note of it and then I make them suffer with triple barreling with TPTK etc.
 
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Target the fish , isolate them, make a hand , take their stack. Control the size of the pot with marginal hands and value with top pair or better. Simple as this. Of course when you play 1-2 tables patience is required. So try to increase the number of tables in time but do not do it unless you are confortable .
 
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