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Hi Everyone,

Im playing the Full Ring $2NL Cash Games on Full Tilt at the moment, and I have a few questions about it over a longer term.

Im playing very tight and aggressive, VPIP 13, PFR 9, Agg 55. Keeping it simple and no fancy thin value plays etc, trying to concentrate on the basics, playing correctly pre flop and waiting for good hands post flop to get value from. Virtually no bluffing except continuation bets or very exceptional circumstances.

So my questions are,

1. What is a realistically good win rate for these 1/2c stakes?
There are quite a few poor players. I'm on 19.04 BB/100 after 4133 hands. Does that seem realistic and possible over a larger sample, or will it inevitably drop? I know mine isn't that big as of yet.

2. How much of a step up is it to the 2/5c and 5/10c games?
My bankroll isn't up to that level yet but in a week or two I should be well rolled for the $5NL, so I'm wondering will I have to adjust much to them games regarding my play?

3. Should I have a larger bankroll in relation to buy-ins when I move up?
I currently have about $35 or 17.5 buy-ins, but should I wait until I get to 20 x $5 buy-ins to give myself room to be comfortable at the new level? Ideally I'd like to move up as quickly as possible.

Thanks all in advance!
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Literally forgot the main question!

4. Im playing on Full Tilt now, is there any other sites you'd recommend for rake reasons or player standard?

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Here's my opinions and what I know of Full Tilt (which isn't very much).:

1. Variance will probably make this rate lower, but if you one tabled, then you could keep this rate. The people at Full Tilt know more common sense than those at pokerstars (e.g. raises happen more frequently).

2. I wouldn't necessarily say you're going to be well 'rolled up' for these levels because as the pro's say, you could make the worst decisions and be up for the session or even make the best decisions and be down for the session. The levels are similar in style and play though and you will just need to adjust just a tiny bit to get there. But expect your BB/100 to go down.

3. If you want to, instead you could play some Rush Poker. More hands (about 250+) per hour, but you need to multi table less. There is higher variance, but with your bankroll for your level I would build it up to $50 or $60 and then play some Rush Poker. I would do what you're saying and shoot for around $100 and then take a shot and look for the fish. But if you lose some buyins, then grind your way back up.

4. Any site that has Casino Players on it (such as betfair poker) is a great site for earning money. These players obviously have just found this through the online gambling places and they are great sources of income.

Also, try out Pokerstars. It's a sister site to Full Tilt meaning that you can transfer your winnings from Full Tilt to Pokerstars (which is nice).

Good luck with your attempts!
 
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Good luck, I'm also a Full Tilt player. I play Rush 2nl and 5nl sometimes 10nl.
At 2 nl I have steady 11bb/100 result on 65 000 hands.
At 5 nl suprisingly I cannot break even (around 1bb/100 over 50 000 hands)

1. I think it will fall down, eventually the best players on this level can maintain around 13 bb/100 over couple hundred of thousand hands. I have some sessions of 4k hands of 30bb/100. Then another day I have like -12bb/100 over same amount.

2. On rush I found a bid difference between 2nl and 5nl. Not so big between 5 and 10nl. Rush 2nl is just flooded with fishes shoving all-ins with trash hands. Rush 5nl has many aggresive regs, so it's much harder to even go to showdown with those guys.

3 Try to maintain at least 20BI on any level for one table. On 2nl Rush I have swings up to 3BI on 5nl about 6BI, the same for 10nl. It can crush you if you have two -5BI days in a row. I had those few times but I've bulid solid bankroll on 2nl though.
 
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Thanks for that!

For playing Rush, does the game plan change much? Just stay solid and wait for hands to get paid off again? Or should I loosen up due to the fact everyone will play tighter because its so easy to fold and move on?
 
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Rush on Full Tilt is only 6-max so you will want to open a little more widely, like 20-21% and try to play in position a lot more. You can of course c-bet a little more often because it's harder for your oponents to spot this regularity as you will play with different players on every hand. Still I believe some of the guys are using some kind of trackers so they could use your regularities against you. Esspecialy at 5nl when stakes can easliy cover a price of PT or HEM.
Don't play loose on those stakes, oponents bluff so little, that you will spew your chips away before someone will make a big fold to your tricky play. Keep it simple, and if you have a decent sample of hands of local regs - try to use their weekneses against them.
 
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Don't be so stuck on moving up as soon as possible. In the big picture of your poker career, how much does it matter if you move from 2nl to 5nl a few weeks or even a few months earlier or later?

And don't fool yourself into believing 20 buyins is good BRM. It's on the aggressive side.
 
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Just an update and another Question!

Ive played another 4000 hands so I'm up to 8093, win rate has dropped as expected to 7.5BB/100 but I'm still quite happy with that. I have made a few mistakes and leaks that I've picked out and worked on, so I think this rate may rise a bit again.

My bankroll is still sitting around $35, so my plan is to probably play up to 25000 hands at the 1c/2c, and if I can keep it at 7.5BB/100 that will get me to just over $60, or hopefully more if I can play better. I could then put in about $40 of my own money and move up to the 2c/5c.

Does this seem like a good idea? I know everyone says not to rush going up in stakes but I feel like it will take forever to make a full $70 playing the 1c/2c, and I'm thinking 25000 hands at a decent win rate qualifies my to move up, and I'll have a decent bankroll, and can drop back down if I go below $70 or so.


Also, I played the rush, its fine and I may play a bit more in the future but atm Im not sure its for me. I like having the stats on players and watching how the game plays out rather than being shuffled around. And I play 4-5 tables Full ring so I'm getting in about 350-400/hour anyway, rather than maybe 500 at 2 rush tables.
 
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How many tables are you playing? Obviously, multi-tabling can make a major difference in your per hour win rate.
 
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Usually 4, maybe five if I'm really on the ball. It a comfortable number, any more and I don't think I can manage it, but any less and I get bored and play too many hands.
 
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