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Most people here agree that 3 X BB bet is the way to open. Many say to add one BB to that for each limper. BetOnLine has some 0.01 / 0.02 cash games. At that level, is it ok to increase the opening bet to 5 X BB + limpers?

With a $2 max buy that would give you 20 X BB.

I tried it today for a short while, I tripled my stack in under an hour. Thoughts?
 
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I think 5x is the right size IF your table has lots of fish who just call every time you raise 3x. If raising to 5x helps to isolate 1 person, then raise to that amount when you don't want to play a multiway pot. If there aren't people who want to see almost every flop for any amount of money, then 3x is fine. Some fish won't even fold rags to a 7x raise. Try to figure out how much money the loosest player at the table is willing to call with a bad hand, and then raise to that amount with your premiums.
 
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Personally, while playing 2nl, I've been raising .07-.10 cents when I'm the first one into the pot. 3x just gets too many callers and fails to isolate the fish as much as possible IMO. I vary the bets and sometimes raise .07 with AA and then will raise off the button .10 with a weaker hand to disguise the strength of my holding.

If they're going to be fish and chase - make them chase. I mean, is .06 really that different than the .04 minraise some of these donks are in love with?

Other players thoughts on this?
 
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I like doing 2.5-2.8. It has worked really well for me. I get alot of money by doing this.
 
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A preflop strategy that I currently default to when all players at the table are unknowns is this: min raise the button, 2.5x the cutoff, 3x the hijack, 4x UTG, 3x small blind open, and I add 1 bb per limper in the pot if i don't want to over-limp. The reason to raise less from late position is that my range is wider, say 33% or so, while from UTG my range is about 7% so naturally a larger raise is in order. Also, with more players to act behind me I want to discourage a large amount of callers with most hands. If, like I said before, there are lots of fish who make every pot a 3 or 4 player pot, then I up the raise size when I want to play a heads up pot instead.
 
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I like to open 3x + 1/limper from all positions. CO and BTN 2x + 1/limper. This is at 10 NL ! at 2nl I would start from 5x, and 3x from late position.
 
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imo it's ok to enlarge your preflop raises. on these low stakes the preflop call percentage is way too high and you want value for you good hands.
 
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always raise more in the micros. you have the right idea. The fact of the matter is these players don't take bet sizing into consideration. They don't understand that larger pots preflop actually lead to exponentially larger pots on later streets, as your bets will compound and represent a percentage of what is already in the pot. If you raise 3x with you big hands, well, they will pay you 3x. Make it 6x and your still going to get looked up. It's the micros, players are bad and they want to see flops. Keep raising big and keep stacking the idiots.
 
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I totally disagree with the idea of raising 2.5-2.8x, this isn't a good approach at any level unless your playing heads up. If we're talking about cash games I can assure you that systematically betting this amount is a losing recipe. Occasionally doing this is okay I guess.

In tournaments, Sit N gos, and heads up play this would be acceptable more often
 
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maybe you could try to bet 4x the bb, if you are in utg with 0.01-0.02 with aces a bet of 0.08 would make lots of players to fold but it is very possible that a few other enter the pot. 5x it seems quite a lot considering that with a very good hand you want some players to call your bet preflop.
only in a very loose table you have to consider raising preflop that much. it is not wrong raise even 6 or 7 bb preflop with lots of limpers in the hand.
 
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I think 5xBB is a great play. Been playing BetOnline micros as well; there's not a lot of respect for the 3xBB pre-flop bet, unless you're in position.

See you on the tables!
 
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I think 5xBB is a great play. Been playing BetOnline micros as well; there's not a lot of respect for the 3xBB pre-flop bet, unless you're in position.

See you on the tables!
 
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It is really interesting thread. I used to raise 3bb but when I think of raising 4bb or even 5bb I considered it much more right when I play micros. Though in SNGs, MTTs and heads up I actually bet 2.5BB to max 3BB ! :)
 
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keep doing whait it works

good for you that it works, and yes i see the same in the mtts when you are starting the bb are to low to raise 3bb+1 per limper, so i agree to raise like 10% of the stack otherwise you will have a lot of fishes trying to see the flop and the possibilities of a strong to be destroy rise as the number of players seeing the flop, so to avoid that i raise more than 3bb

and the same when the blinds are too big is not necessary to raise 3bb with 2 bb is enough,
 
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