re: Poker & To get maximum value
Originally Posted by Schatzdog
This is an excellent topic because I think alot of players miss out on value because they are afraid to get drawn out on. In certain instances it can be correct to allow your opponent to draw, especially when they could make a big second best hand. When they do, your EV goes through the roof if you're sitting with the nuts or close to it. Remember that your action should be to maximise value in the long run and this is done by allowing your opponent to make mistakes.
Sklansky says you shouldn't force your opponent into playing correct poker. When you overbet the pot to push out a draw against an opponent you know won't call, you are making his decision that much easier and forcing him to play correctly. He now knows exactly what you have too, so you're giving away all kinds of information for him to use, not only on this hand but in future hands against you.
Let your opponent make costly mistakes.
I like this post. I am going to play devils Advocate. Based on the fact that you have A7 here and have the 2nd nuts - trips. ( no-one can have 77 but JJ is possible). What card do you want people to draw too?
Heres how the different cards can improve someones hand.
Any low card can give one of the 5 limpers with PP a boat - beating you.
Any 8,9,10 can give someone a Straight - beating you.
Any 8,9,10 can give one of the 5 limpers with PP a boat - beating you.
So it sounds like the only real hands that improves and may induce further bet/call (but does not beat) you is Jx, where x hits. Or an A,K,Q where someone has AK or AQ and limped??
Those with the later hands are likely to be wary of the board with 77 unless they are a donk. Those who improve to better hands than 2P are likely to bet more strongly.
So my point is letting someone improve to the point where they will take a fight against you is normally only going to happen if they have you beat.
However the other point is if you have a donk who is prepared to play a J all the way to the finish already - they will probably do it both ways. I take the point that the Overbet may make this happen less - but i think marginally so as an overbet in first position signifies and Bully, a weak jack, as much as a 7.
I also have no problems people thinking that I bet when i am in the lead. It defines my image for me and allows me to steal.
Anyway - I see that people do not agree with my thoughts. I am cool with that and respect yours too. Thats poker hey.