Man What was I thinking?

I hold 10/10 inthe bb utg raises 4.5x (big raise)a utg + 1 calls and another caller--I have plenty behind me--and I fold???? horrible as a 10 came on the flop--I was behind pre as QQ wonthe hand but is this not a terrible play?

Depends on stack sizes, read on utg, etc. Why do people obsess over hand values so much?

1. that is results oriented thinking as you are only considering the outcome of this one hand that would have won.

2. there really isn't enough information in this scenario to give you an meaningful feedback.

i had plenty of chips--at least 35 bb--the pot odds were off the chart--it just all pointed to a bad play on my part

1st let's assume that your opponents have at least as many chips as you so your stack is the one that matters. Now you said UTG raised to 4.5bbs and UTG + 1 called, you started the hand with 36bbs and posted 1bb so it costs you 3.5bbs to call, meaning you need to feel reasonably certain they you can win 42bbs (12 times the amount you have to call) when you hit your set to make set mining profitable. So it's close but it's not a horrible fold.

If this was a tourney your standing in the tourney factors in as well (if on the bubble heavily so). If this was a ring game it's your own fault for not having a full stack.

hmmm... your pot odd is good enough for me but your in a bad position. i would also fold if i were in your position, especially if your are nearing the money or bubble.

WVHillbilly said:

1st let's assume that your opponents have at least as many chips as you so your stack is the one that matters. Now you said UTG raised to 4.5bbs and UTG + 1 called, you started the hand with 36bbs and posted 1bb so it costs you 3.5bbs to call, meaning you need to feel reasonably certain they you can win 42bbs (12 times the amount you have to call) when you hit your set to make set mining profitable. So it's close but it's not a horrible fold.

If this was a tourney your standing in the tourney factors in as well (if on the bubble heavily so). If this was a ring game it's your own fault for not having a full stack.

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it was a tourney

I think in a tournament and you aren't deepstacked, this is probably a good fold, at least debateable. If you're deepstacked (and so is your villains) in a cash game this is an auto-call.

Also your pot odds were not off the chart - but your implied odds apparently were (thus the set mining theory for cash game poker).

This is similar actually to a hand I played in the only tourney I've played in quite a while, where I realized the meaning of the phrase about 3 ways to play JJ and all of them being wrong. The problem is, that if stacks are this shallow, we can't really be playing this type of hand for set value, so we need to play it for it's already made hand value. Although it sucks folding a hand like this, we really don't beat much that stacks here, although sometimes we do get folds. I don't know, it just sucks in general with like 30 big blinds. But here you're definitely thinking results oriented, and with TT and not JJ I think it's a relatively easy fold depending on all the other factors you have ommitted.

here's an amatuers thought: You have to think you against better than 10's in this spot. If a queen came out on the flop you would have thought a whole lot differently. You would have that how good a player you were. You made the right play in my humble opinion.

The Flops are always better when you fold.