Making the switch part 1

bubbasbestbabe · Nov 15, 2006

When you make the switch from no limit to limit sometimes it's hard to make the transition. I'm going to list some hand histories and discuss the betting differences between my limit betting and my no limit on the same hand. If anyone would like to post their own hands please feel free to do so.

*********** # 17 **************
pokerstars Game #6995675237: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/12 -
13:30:56 (ET)
Table 'Gienah' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: klitkat ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 2: badboy45 ($14.45 in chips)
Seat 4: acesinreno ($9.20 in chips)
Seat 5: cherygarcia ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 6: eraser09 ($9.50 in chips)
eraser09: posts small blind $0.10
klitkat: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to klitkat [Kh Ks] woohoo! nice big one to start with
badboy45: folds
acesinreno: calls $0.25
cherygarcia: folds
eraser09: raises $0.25 to $0.50
klitkat: raises $0.25 to $0.75 playing NL and having a raiser in front of me with a hand like this would cause me to nudge it up a wee bit more maybe 2 more x BB. I went as far as the players wanted in this limit hand.
acesinreno: calls $0.50
eraser09: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [3h 2d Kd]
eraser09: checks
klitkat: checks I check here trying to entice a play for a check raise on limit. If this was NL I would make a bet of 2X BB
acesinreno: checks
*** TURN *** [3h 2d Kd] [Tc]
eraser09: checks
klitkat: bets $0.50 No biters on last play on limit, have to make my own momentum. If no limit, bet would be pot limiting any type of str8 draw crap.
acesinreno: folds
eraser09: folds
klitkat collected $2.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.25 | Rake $0.10
Board [3h 2d Kd Tc]
Seat 1: klitkat (big blind) collected ($2.15)
Seat 2: badboy45 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: acesinreno folded on the Turn
Seat 5: cherygarcia (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: eraser09 (small blind) folded on the Turn

In no limit I think I would have seen more action on this hand PF than I did here in limit. One of the biggest differences you get between NL and limit that you have to accept is that when you get a killer hand you aren't going to make the killing you used to playing NL. And you have to adjust yourself accordingly. You have to relax and accept a pot of say $2 or $3 instead of a pot of $10 - $20. And that's a little hard.

ChuckTs · Nov 16, 2006

Lead the flop. Unless you've been really passive in past with say 99 in similar situations, they're not going to believe your check means weakness. Not only that, but you have to get value for this hand and any flush draw is sticking around to the river, and any ace high will definitely see the turn for another bet.

Bombjack · Nov 16, 2006

Fairly standard strategy in Limit seems to be ram and jam with the nuts. As re-raiser you should bet this flop whether you have a King or not. Only slowplay if you flop something virtually unbeatable like a big full house or quads, and there aren't many cards that could give your opponent a hand, because either you have them or they're on the board. (E.g. you have KK and the board is KK5.)

Also by betting the flop, you get more value. People are more likely to call the smaller bet on the flop, because it's smaller and they expect the raiser to bet anyway, which then makes them more likely to call on the turn and river because the pot is larger.

Debi · Nov 16, 2006

When I saw your topic I thought this was about something else....lol

I played limit only for over a year before switching to NL and now when I go back to limit I do very well.

BJ's last paragraph says it very well.

If you decide to try limit sng's they can be very easy to win at low levels - but be prepared for a long game. I usually play very tight early and then get aggressive when the blinds are big enough to battle with.

F Paulsson · Nov 16, 2006

There's nothing quite as suspicious as someone 3-betting preflop and then checking a K-high flop. It's in fact such a massive display of strength that I'd consider folding QQ to your turn bet.

However: If the flop had been ace-high and three-handed, this would be different. Some people really do check behind with KK on ace-high flops because they figured that someone is sured to have paired up. Therefore, a check on an ace-high flop is less intimidating. I would still have bet with AA on this flop though, but if you have to slowplay then that's a better time to do it.

mrsnake3695 · Nov 16, 2006

Bet on the flop. I agree that checking here after 3 betting 3 flop smells of a slowplay. If you take the lead preflop you almost always have to bet the flop. Even if an ace came out on the flop you need to lead out to see where you are. Often times if you raise preflop and bet out on a ace flop the other player will fold their small pair thinking you have the ace. Anyway, back on subject. The flop bet is a small bet and most players that will call a raise preflop will also call one small bet on the flop. This may be you only chance to make any money on the hand. You may also be able to make a play if you lead out on the flop get called and then check the turn. You are telling the other player, I had good cards preflop, didn't hit the flop but made a standard continuation bet anyway and since you called I am giving up. You may be able to induce a bluff and get a check raise this way.

t1riel · Nov 17, 2006

See bold.

bubbasbestbabe said:
When you make the switch from no limit to limit sometimes it's hard to make the transition. I'm going to list some hand histories and discuss the betting differences between my limit betting and my no limit on the same hand. If anyone would like to post their own hands please feel free to do so.

*********** # 17 **************
PokerStars Game #6995675237: Hold'em Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/12 -
13:30:56 (ET)
Table 'Gienah' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: klitkat ($4.45 in chips)
Seat 2: badboy45 ($14.45 in chips)
Seat 4: acesinreno ($9.20 in chips)
Seat 5: cherygarcia ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 6: eraser09 ($9.50 in chips)
eraser09: posts small blind $0.10
klitkat: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to klitkat [Kh Ks] woohoo! nice big one to start with
badboy45: folds
acesinreno: calls $0.25
cherygarcia: folds
eraser09: raises $0.25 to $0.50
klitkat: raises $0.25 to $0.75 playing NL and having a raiser in front of me with a hand like this would cause me to nudge it up a wee bit more maybe 2 more x BB. I went as far as the players wanted in this limit hand.
acesinreno: calls $0.50
eraser09: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [3h 2d Kd]
eraser09: checks
klitkat: checks I check here trying to entice a play for a check raise on limit. If this was NL I would make a bet of 2X BB

Even in no limit, you can't check this flop with two diamonds. In limit, when you have a hand, you bet and raise if you can.

acesinreno: checks
*** TURN *** [3h 2d Kd] [Tc]
eraser09: checks
klitkat: bets $0.50 No biters on last play on limit, have to make my own momentum. If no limit, bet would be pot limiting any type of str8 draw crap.
acesinreno: folds
eraser09: folds
klitkat collected $2.15 from pot

It's a good thing you took the pot right there. You certainly don't wan't to be outdrawn but a flush or straight. I'm suprised they didn't chase. They probably REALLY tight or had crap to begin with.

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.25 | Rake $0.10
Board [3h 2d Kd Tc]
Seat 1: klitkat (big blind) collected ($2.15)
Seat 2: badboy45 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: acesinreno folded on the Turn
Seat 5: cherygarcia (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: eraser09 (small blind) folded on the Turn

In no limit I think I would have seen more action on this hand PF than I did here in limit. One of the biggest differences you get between NL and limit that you have to accept is that when you get a killer hand you aren't going to make the killing you used to playing NL. And you have to adjust yourself accordingly. You have to relax and accept a pot of say $2 or $3 instead of a pot of $10 - $20. And that's a little hard.

Four Dogs · Nov 17, 2006

Ohhh, that switch! NL to limit...... I thought you finally decided to bo through with the operation

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