Major trouble with light 3 betting

Yoshimiii

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Okay so a few people have explained to me in a few posts why it's better to 3 bet certain hands and such but I still feel awfully lost when it comes to 3 betting light.
Basically I know the type of player I want to 3 bet: LAGG's (who can fold, NOT FISH) and TAGS (Not Nits).
I also know it's best to light 3 bet from late position against a late opener, e.g. 3 betting a Tag who raises on the CO and we light 3 bet on the button.
First question:
Can we light 3 bet OOP and do we have to change our hand ranges/villain types when 3 betting OOP as opposed to being IP? E.g. A TAG on the BTN raises and we light 3 bet him from BB.
Second question:
What types of hands do we light 3 bet with? This is a real problem for me as people have told me to basically light 3 bet everything. Some people tell me to 3 bet hands like A/6s and K/Jo as the Ace and King/Jack is a blocker and we don't want to call pre-flop as they are bad reverse implied odds, however some people have also told me not to 3 bet hands like that as they will be dominated by higher broadway hands such as A/Q etc.
Whereas this article says to 3 bet hands like suited connectors: http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/general/3-betting/
 
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I am no expert and don't light 3bet at all, but Axs seems to me like a good 3bet holding since it has good showdown equity (Poker Stove) against his 3bet calling range and even a 4betting range.
 
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It's situation dependent. When you are constructing your 3-bet range, you should have the proper ratio of value hands that you can comfortably stack vs. air that you will obviously fold to a 4-bet. But sometimes you should be flatting (even folding!) AK and sometimes you can 3-bet 72o.

But basically, you should take the hands at the top of your folding range to turn them into bluffs. Because if you can flat profitably with a hand, you don't want to turn them into bluffs. More later.
 
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I have a question related to this. Should we actually construct a range for 3-betting, or, as I'm currently doing, can I just 3-bet when I feel it will be profitable?
 
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Yes you should construct them. And think about how they should be adjusted for being in position, out of position, BvB, etc.

in the moment when you sense a good spot to squeeze pre, think about if the hand you are holding is good to 3b-bluff with or if you have better hands to bluff with.
 
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I was thinking because it is so relevant to the players you are playing against that you shouldn't maintain a static range. Can you give me examples of a 3-bet range for when we are OTB vs a regs MP raise. Thanks
 
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Today I got the shit 3bet out of me at 2NL on Full Tilt :confused::eek: and not by one or two players either, it was an epidemic of some kind.

I am guessing someone somewhere posted some kind of article about 3 betting and now it became popular over night? :confused::p

I also run incredibly bad as far as card setups went, the few times I had an actual premium hand and stacked off, every time it was KK/AA... luckily these guys all play with short stacks.

Managed to survive and actually profit in the end (3bb/100 over 3.3k hands) but seriously, WTF?
 
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I wouldn't 'contruct' a 3-bet range, just focus on villain and positions and base on that whether you 3-bet or not, it's a matter of experience.
What you could do is mark all hands where you 3-bet and review them after, just look at them a second time and think: What was I trhying to accomplish with this 3-bet? how often would it work against villain? What would I do against a 4-bet? etc.

This is how I personally do it, I 3-bet way to much especially oop. But I feel like this is the best way to learn it,
 
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It's situation dependent. When you are constructing your 3-bet range, you should have the proper ratio of value hands that you can comfortably stack vs. air that you will obviously fold to a 4-bet. But sometimes you should be flatting (even folding!) AK and sometimes you can 3-bet 72o.

But basically, you should take the hands at the top of your folding range to turn them into bluffs. Because if you can flat profitably with a hand, you don't want to turn them into bluffs. More later.

Ah, so if I want to play a hand but it is too weak to call I should consider light 3 betting it. E.g. A TAG opens in CO with 20/18 stats and I am on BTN with K/9o, would this be a good 3 betting opportunity because I don't feel comfortable flat calling so I would sometimes fold this hand.
 
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