Originally Posted by Fat Stu
Cheers for the responses so far guys(and gals).
1 quick question though how would you play straight draws with flush draws that aren't always nut flush/nut straight draws.
These seem to be a common positions I find myself in after the flop(will try and get hand analyst's up soon) and i'm not sure if I should be check calling out of position, check folding or open raising and in position if I should be checking if possible, raising, cold calling or re-raising bets as reads are very difficult to pick up on in this game/level.
Difficult to answer. I can only say with certainty that re-raising
without a (monster) draw (and possibly redraws) to the absolute nuts is a terrible move. And you already probably know that when a pair hits, unless you have at LEAST a boat (yes there are levels of boats too), your flush or straight is toast. But lets say the flop come JhThTd. You have AhAsQhQs. It might be correct to call in hopes of an A or Q or a Kh for the Royal. Extreme example, I know.
In addition to position, and who has raised or not
, a lot depends on the texture of the flop. If flop comes a rainbow multi-gapper, a raise usually means 2 pair or a set. Any callers should have similar. If the flop brings a 2-flush, be aware of who might call for that. Your best chance for any non-nut hand being good is when it comes runner runner (and there has been a raise) with busted draws (usually to a boat or flush - a 2-flush flop that never hit). Don't know if that makes much sense as explained, but hope so. Example. Rainbow junk flop, KhTs3c
. You have
. UTG raises pot you will call with 2 pairs and a nut straight draw. Chances are someone with just a backdoor nut flush draw (
) will (or should
) fold, and your 9T should be good. Same for nut spade draw, it will likely be folded to a pot bet if that's all they got.
There are also levels of non-nuts. Even when the board flops a flop, your K high will probably
be good, strictly odds
-wise. Your 83 will likely not be.
Non-nut boats, same thing. Board is KKT83. Nut boat is KT in the hole. You have K8 or even K3, it's probably
good. You have a pair of 3s, you're probably beaten by a KT, K8, K3, TT, 88.
Moving right along to straights. You can have the idiot end (56 to a 789 board - suicide), the middle (6T), or the nuts. A certain type of middle might be fine. Example... board of 4578K. You have 668A. You can only be beaten by a 69. And your having 2 of them in your hand bodes well to hold up. You gotta be aware of every little thing, they all