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Do you ever feel that your losing money in a session based upon continuing bets alone? Would it be bad continuation bets? Any thoughts in general? Thanks
 
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Yes it is ok to check call instead of betting out when you raise KK and flop AJ2 lol
 
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We need to look at every situation. Number of players, cards on the board, your position, your hand, ...
 
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I think the play style of the people at table is the most important. A group of telemarketers isn't going to fold to your cbet. Cbet more with tight players but don't triple barrel.
 
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Try betting when you have it.
 
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"Most players miss most flops."

"It's better to raise than to call."

"Most players don't float."

Ok, I made that last one up but still...C-bets are the easiest way to collect small pots. If I feel players are calling more often than I would like, then I consider whether my opponents/table are loose or if I'm just running into a string of people hitting flops. Because c-bets are so common now, I keep the bet itself small (especially if I'm out of position) until I have a sense of my opponents calling pattern.
 
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A c-bet should be unique to each situation. It shouldn't be something you're automatically doing every time you raise. You will bleed chips
 
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the continuation bets are necessary to have control of the hand, but in some cases it is better not to do them, especially when many players have entered the hand
 
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I think cbets are essential. If you only cbet when you hit (say 30% of the time) then anyone with a HUD or keen eye will notice immediately what you're doing and be able to call. In a two way pot you also have quite a bit of fold equity which is good.
 
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Mix it up based on the table.

C bets are good for information usually so try be like a random machine! I often just call with good draws in position and sometimes top pair with say KJ on the button on boards like Kq-5 I fear 2 pair and c betting is stupid here. However I c bet very often with 5-7 offsuit utg when I flop bottom pair or air to maybe a 1/100 draw. When I have trash like this and the flop rolls A-7-6 or K 6-j I c bet 70% the pot when I opened for a 4 x raise utg with this trash. If I isolate 2-3 callers it allows me to deduce they flopped bottom pair or if their bad top pair like k3 to ax suited weak kicker and the other guy might be set mining with 44. With 5-7 on the flop of k-q-6 or a-7-6, I have an idea whats going on and are in no way committed but if the turn rolls to this K-6-Q-8 I now have an opened ended draw! I can assume now the one player may be trapping, but since they didn't reraise my c bet that it is indeed a weak king or bottom pair. I can now possibly check to the right player or bet strong take the pot or get my draw. On the ace flop Of a-7-6 my utg raise might slow down a good weak tight player who paired the ace,but is afraid of his weak kicker so this gives me what I call luck leverage. If I have 5-7 and it rolls A-7-6-7- I can check the turn to induce a bet from a guy who believes I'm just on flat air! I then reraise to make it look like a bad bluff and he commits believing his ace is good and it's just me making a play especially if his ax range is low to a4 to a8,if it were a high ax like aq he wouldn't play timidly on the flop so I learn from this if he reraises or if he's bad just calls and allows me luck outs.
 
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We need to look at every situation. Number of players, cards on the board, your position, your hand, ...


Exactly, so many things that influence your decision.. There is no real answer for this, it has a lot to do with your general post flop abilities and strategy as well. You should also think about your image at the table, what happened all those times you had c-bet, did it go to showdown, can opponents know if you have it or not when you continue betting post flop etc.
 
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This might help you.

Opening raises more than you should preflop, could make your CBets non profitable.
Also if one or two players on the table are picking on you and are calling or 3betting your CBets on the flop when you are outta position, you'd better adjust your game and use that against them or even use not continuation betting against them too, if you you know what I mean.

Anyway, I think you have to diagnose the perspective of the players at the table (of you and each other) and adjust each time you figure something out, add to that some deception and you should be good to go.

Good luck at the tables
 
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should jump on to lower stakes if your continuation bets are in the worry zone)))
 
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Do you ever feel that your losing money in a session based upon continuing bets alone? Would it be bad continuation bets? Any thoughts in general? Thanks


Generally speaking you should continuation bet when you have a strong made hand or a strong draw and be very selective when you're doing it as a bluff. This means analyzing how likely your opponent is to fold in general and how likely he/she is to fold given this particular flop.

That said, I don't like continuation bets on pure bluffs like A5 or 22 on a J109 flop. I like to at least have some decent odds to make a hand so semi-bluffing with a hand like AQ on a J109 flop is much better.
 
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If you are playing against stations, and they never fold any flop, don't c-bet without equity. It's easier to just let the game come to you.

If you have a losing image, don't c-bet without equity. It won't work. Bad/inexperienced players actually base decisions on stupid shit like "he isn't hitting any flops, and he is losing every hand. I have to call with bottom pair here, this guy can't win a hand."

If you are losing every hand, and you are starting to get frustrated, just check/fold to passive opponents and stations when you miss. Trust me it's less frustrating and a game management decision sometimes.

If you are in one of those games, where your opponents aare loose AF and they call everything, don't bluff. It's not gonna work. Only c-bet if you have outs like flush draws/straight draws/combos, etc. Don't be c-betting and barreling some whale who never folds with only 2 over cards and no equity to speak of
 
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What it is possible to think here of? You come into HM2 and you watch success of cbet
 
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The c/bet is a dead move these days

I don't c/bet that often because of that very fact, (that it is taxing on your stack). Now if I have a hand then that's a different story. Then I will c/bet up to pot size bet. In the later stages of a tournament I will bluff c/bet to try and pick up the blinds that should be substantial at the later parts of the tournament. It's just not gonna be profitable to try and steal the blinds when they are small.
 
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Do you ever feel that your losing money in a session based upon continuing bets alone? Would it be bad continuation bets? Any thoughts in general? Thanks

If you are losing too much money with continuation bets, it probably means that you are doing it way too often with complete air. You should never make a continuation bet just because it is considered as a must thing to do. Because in the end, it's not. You should always have a reason to do so, other than just being the original raiser. If my HUD tells me that my opponent is making a continuation bet suspiciously often, I start to use that information against them and calling/reraising/bluffing them more and much more loose. If I then spot any weakness or hesitation from my opponent, the pot is usually mine regardless if I actually have something or not. So that's something to think about if you are losing a lot with c-bets.

It is okay to just check and then call/fold if your opponent decides to raise. You can also easily check behind if you have position and your opponent checks before you. There are so many things that matter when I decide whether I should make a c-bet or not. Board texture, the number of opponents and the style they play, my own hand, my opponents range, possible draws etc. I might just as easily check or raise with air or with a strong hand, so my opponents can never know for sure what that check or raise means. Most of the time I actually just check to see how my opponent reacts no matter what hand I'm holding myself.

Continuation bets are an interesting topic and I am also trying to become better at it every day. It's definitely not easy but I have realized that I am doing much better when I use check more often that a c-bet. Of course I also make those c-bets but then I have a very good reason to do so. I would recommend that you would exploit checking as well if you are struggling with c-betting.
 
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Some flops its okay to check back. It doesnt always mean weakness. It could just mean you will call a turn and see a river. While its good to work in some bluffs so your opponent cant always put you on a hand, knowing when to check is essential, like if you have Ace high or two overs.

If you three-bet preflop and got called, it almost %100 has a merit to c-betting.
 
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remember not to donk bet too much & not having a 100% percentage on your cbets and you should be fine
 
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Right now I'm facing this, considering my game. I can say one thing, betting continuation makes sense, when in the hand no more than 2 people, not counting you. If there are more, then it is a call from one of them in any case. Just now I noticed that many, especially in the initial stages of tournaments, throw out cards only on the river. As you do not bluff, they still think that there is waiting for them their cherished out.
 
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Do you ever feel that your losing money in a session based upon continuing bets alone? Would it be bad continuation bets? Any thoughts in general? Thanks

Yeah I have that problem too, it just seems everybody is calling the bet on the flop no matter what the board texture is and when showdown comes it ends me getting the loss.
 
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I had the opposite experience, I actually started doing better when I started C-betting more. It came concurrently with me tightening my starting hand range so that probably played a role too, but I def noticed my winrate going the right direction after c-betting more often.

Someone here on one of my older threads suggested about a 1/2 pot c-bet when leading out (and obv adjust a little higher if the board is draw heavy).

It's also useful for gaining information if you're not sure where you're at on the flop or building pots if you hit the flop and think you'll get someone drawing.
 
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I may have missed so if someone else said sorry! Remember to consider your position in the hand when you are thinking about C-betting plus who you are playing against. If you are playing against the seat that has been hitting every hand and you completely miss the flop it is okay to check.
 
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