Losing a lot on c-betting

BvBrMTW

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Hey guys, I feel like I'm losing an awful lot with c-betting and all, actually, 90%of my hands where I lose over 8BB's It's because of c-betting / double barreling and getting called by hands like bottom pair.

Now I've recently posted a threat about c-betting %'s, later read some articles about it, but I still seem to lose.e
Every session goes the same, I win a few big hands, but I leak chips between the big hands, I don't know if that's normal at these stakes, But I don't think so,

an example:
Now I play somewhere around 35/35, and villain is playing 21/18.
I double barrel and He calls both streets with 5's.
It's these hands I lose with most of the time, am I making any mistakes here?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (MP) ($48.46)
CO ($55.89)
Button ($24.40)
SB ($27.42)
BB ($39.21)
UTG ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A
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, 8
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1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, 3 folds, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) K
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, 3
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, 6
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB calls $1

Turn: ($3.60) 4
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

River: ($8.60) 3
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(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $8.60 | Rake: $0.39

Results below:
BB had 5
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, 5
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(two pair, fives and threes).
Hero didn't show A
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, 8
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(nothing).
Outcome: BB won $8.21
 
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Hey what's up. Do you actually play 35/35? That must make your post flop play pretty interesting heh. I don't think I've checked in your other topic so I don't know how often you're cbetting overall or against who etc. Good flop there to cbet in your example hand. Not a great turn card to barrel imo with A8o, but I mean I suppose I could give one of those vague "it all depends" type poker answers that aren't particularly helpful.

I feel that playing around with flopzilla a bit would be helpful for you. Just bear in mind you're not going to be hitting flops the same way an 18/15 is going to be for instance, and so you shouldn't have the same post flop plan in terms of cbetting frequencies etc as such a player.
 
BvBrMTW

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Yes I play 35/35, with a 3-bet % of 18... I guess I found my problem ?
I love playing all suited connectors and one gappers, I think I should definetly drop down to like 20-25 because I'm just not good enough post-flop. And thanks for the tip on flopzilla, I'll try it out!
 
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Don't barrel that turn card. I would fire a KJQ. Possibly a ten. If an A comes then check it to get an extra street of value on the river.

One reason why he is calling here is your stats, I doubt he would be calling twice if it was against a different player with other tendencies but seeing as you can have a whole lot of worse here he obviously thought it was worth it.

Mind posting your stats by position? You might be playing too much from early positions and can cut some losses from there.
 
Yoshimiii

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Don't cbet fish often unless very dry board, just value bet the shit out of them. If he calls down with 5/5, make a note and go to value town on the donk.
 
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Matt, I've looked up my positioning and I found something really interesting,
Now I've had a few very bad sessions the last two days, and my bb/100 is down to 1 from 7 a few days ago (just 12k sample)
anyway, these are my stats by position:
vpip/pfr/3b
EP: 33/32/20 bb/100 30.55 (1100 hands)
MP: 32/30/12 bb/100 67 (1800 hands)
CO: 32/29/14 bb/100 -0,92 (2k hands)
BTN: 35/30/14 bb/100 -0,88 (2.1k hands)
SB: 40/34/21 bb/100 -36,15 (2.3k hands)
BB: 35/19/20 bb/100 -25.13 (2.3k hands)

As you can see, I make most of my money in EP/MP, I'm breakeven in position, and I'm spewing in the SB/BB. It's a small sample but still, any thoughts?
 
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Adjust your aggression based on how the table is playing you. If you are getting called on a lot of c-bets, slow down a bit. I'm not a huge advocate of not c-betting, so this would probably require that you tighten up your starting hand requirements. Once you show down a few strong hands, they will begin respecting your c-bets and you can widen your range again.

You also need to be willing to fire a 3rd bullet on occasion. In this hand, the villain is a TAG, so I would expect them to re-raise you at some point with a legit hand. I would guess a river bet would have pushed them off the hand. If they still call and you have to show nothing, use that to our advantage in a later hand.
 
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Jesus, I'd call YOU down with 3rd pair on that board too. You're not positionally aware at all. Tighten up from EP, MP, and the blinds. Stop 3betting so much.
 
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Jesus, I'd call YOU down with 3rd pair on that board too. You're not positionally aware at all. Tighten up from EP, MP, and the blinds. Stop 3betting so much.

'xactly; with your aggression stats players know they should call you down with 3rd pair.
 
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He has 55 with an oesd, not just 3rd pair. I'm never folding this turn against hardly anyone with his hand. The biggest mistake though is I think flop is a pretty clear check back without reads. As played though I think your turn barrel is +ev. Just because he doesn't fold 55 on this board doesn't mean he's not folding a ton of other hands that beat you.
 
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He has 55 with an oesd, not just 3rd pair. I'm never folding this turn against hardly anyone with his hand. The biggest mistake though is I think flop is a pretty clear check back without reads. As played though I think your turn barrel is +ev. Just because he doesn't fold 55 on this board doesn't mean he's not folding a ton of other hands that beat you.

Maybe its not the best example, but indeed what the otherd said, I'm probably getting called do light because of my opening range,
I should definetly tighten up utg and mp,
Also I guess I should defend less light and 4bet bluff less, seeing my pf stats.
 
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